For the record
The street sweepers will be coming through our block tomorrow, but they will not need to sweep any leaves from in front of our place. This afternoon we raked, swept, and dumped into the worm compost bin all the fallen leaves, and now you can eat off our street:
We won't be paying the City of Portland leaf tax -- not without an order from the Oregon Supreme Court.
Comments (38)
Go Jack!! I hope many follow your lead.
Posted by pdxmick | November 5, 2010 8:08 PM
You tell 'em, Jacko!
Posted by Mister Tee | November 5, 2010 8:13 PM
All you need now is some Yellow Police Line ribbon to keep the sweeper away. I'll bet someone in your neighborhood has saved some.
Posted by Abe | November 5, 2010 8:55 PM
Nice. Good public documentation. Not too bad a day for raking leaves either.
Posted by Joey | November 5, 2010 9:15 PM
Could you send your team over here on Dec 2?
Posted by Allan L. | November 5, 2010 9:18 PM
All you need now is to hope that the wind doesn't blow all of your neighbors' leaves down the street tonight so they end up in front of your house.
By the way, what is the actual biomass of leaves once they've been ground up? Tree removal companies use chippers to grind up solid wood into sawdust, so why can't the city come up with a street sweeping equivalent that simply grinds up leaves on the spot?
Posted by Peter Apanel | November 5, 2010 9:23 PM
"... so why can't the city come up with a street sweeping equivalent that simply grinds up leaves on the spot?"
Or compress them like our garbage.
The possibility of a private enterprise gathering the leaves, composting them, and then selling the compost could be made a reality by someone with a little vision. After all, what does the city do with the leaves?? Anyone know? I don't. But I figure they either A) dump them - what a waste of a green, sustainable commodity..., or B) sell them to a major composter who then sells the compost at a profit.
I don't know why this can't be made into a new industry. Maybe the city could pay a private contractor to do the job? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha!!! Sorry, I crack myself up sometimes.
Posted by PDXLifer | November 5, 2010 9:33 PM
You know what would be funny - Sam telling Randy to pay up. He's saying, I told you I bet I can make Jack pick up his own leaves!
Posted by John | November 5, 2010 9:40 PM
Jack, as much as I disagree with the way the city handled this, I have to take issue with the reaction to the change in policy.
Wealthier neighborhoods have been receiving a free service that other neighborhoods did not enjoy. Others have had to dispose of their own leaves and also deal with cuts in city drop-off locations, I believe.
Also, I've been appalled in years past to see how many in the neighborhoods with leaf pick-up left their sidewalks and streets covered in piles of wet leaves. It's been a mess and a hazard for people and bikes, and gasp...even cars, for years.
I'm sorry that the "City that Works" actually doesn't, but I'm glad that these neighborhoods are going to need to be responsible for leaves like the rest of the city.
Posted by abs | November 5, 2010 10:57 PM
The only thing missing in those photos to make them golden is a copy of today's newspaper.
Posted by Mojo | November 5, 2010 11:54 PM
I never asked these clowns to pickup the leaves in front of my house. And I'm not asking them to do so now. Just leave me alone and stop sending me bills for bulls**t. Thanks.
Posted by Jack Bog | November 6, 2010 12:40 AM
The City has a compost yard on N.E. 33rd it shares with the homeless camp, "Dignity Village". They receive leaves with a nominal fee as well as sell them as compost.
Posted by Sportsfan2 | November 6, 2010 7:07 AM
Here is the response I got from the city regarding the leaf pick up tax. It was sent by a someone who goes by the name Leaf Removal:
[I think that "1 percent" is a typo.]
Posted by Eric Fruits | November 6, 2010 7:29 AM
In the letter that Eric posted, Leaf Removal states:
"No property or income tax dollars are used for our maintenance budget."
Where does this department think its funding comes from, the "tooth fairy"?
No way does the $30 fee, even if collected from a majority of the affected property owners even come close to paying for such a service.
Posted by Mike (one of the many) | November 6, 2010 7:54 AM
Jack- for those who have senior citizen neighbors...give them a hand and help them get away from this $30 added cost. This group is getting hit hard with these nuisance fees with no increase in Social Security again this year.
Posted by Old Shep | November 6, 2010 8:30 AM
What buffoons. The costs of administering this program will outstrip the $15 and $30 checks they'll get. Can you imagine how many exemption applications and photos they'll have to process? Then there will be the administrative appeals (and then court, I assume) when people are denied the exemption.
Posted by Jack Bog | November 6, 2010 8:38 AM
The City has a compost yard on N.E. 33rd it shares with the homeless camp, "Dignity Village". They receive leaves with a nominal fee as well as sell them as compost.
They sell the bums as compost? now that's innovation!
Posted by Max | November 6, 2010 8:41 AM
"The costs of administering this program will outstrip the $15 and $30 checks they'll get. Can you imagine how many exemption applications and photos they'll have to process?"
Amen. Bad policy poorly implemented.
Posted by Doc Golightly | November 6, 2010 8:49 AM
Most interesting.
The only residents to be charged are those who demand the service which willbenefit a specific user and whose quantity, quality, and/or number of units as may be specified?
So...If the City DoT consistantly FAILS to sweep the street in front of my house, I can bill them? I have received NO benefit from the city sweepers. To get leaves swept off my street, my neighbors and I have to rake them all down to a location where the sweeper can sweep them.
THEN...I will not, and I strongly recommend that others not, consistantly place leaves from the street in home composters. Leaves which have spent any appreciable time in the street during wet conditions (now, when might that be?) will accumulate petrochemical byproducts and other toxins which build up in the street (carbon and heavy-metals tainted oils, break lining residue, and the like) along with the glass chips, waxed and plasticized paper bits, plastic chunks, and other tidbits which don't biodegrade.
I have no desire to add any of that to the soil I intend to grow foods in.
For the same reason, I'd steer clear of any 'composted product' the City is selling (or giving away) as an afterproduct of street sweeping.
Posted by godfry | November 6, 2010 8:51 AM
Okay, so we have two very small trees that shed their leaves long before the first leaf sweep in early November. BUT, our neighbor across the street has a HUGE tree and they never rake. On our block, the leaves always end up on the south side of the street due to wind - one can drive by and notice the disparity with all the leaves blown to one side of the street.
So, every year we dutifully rake our NEIGHBOR's leaves that end up on our property even though we have a tiny, tiny amount of our own.
Sure, we can snap photos showing our dismal trees, but if one were to drive by, we would still be hit with the leaf tax thanks to our non-raking neighbors. Meanwhile, their yard has nary a leaf!
And this is just, how?
Posted by Tess | November 6, 2010 9:00 AM
Where does this department think its funding comes from, the "tooth fairy"?
If you read their letter, you can see clearly where they say they think it comes from.
Posted by Allan L. | November 6, 2010 9:30 AM
Allan L: sorry, my bad.
But with the city encouraging people to go by means other than personal vehicles, maintenance funding may be reduced as an unintended consequence of getting residents out of their vehicles.
I still think that this program will cost more than whatever funds they might collect.
Portland: "The City That Works" hard to be more inefficient.
Posted by Mike (one of the many) | November 6, 2010 10:34 AM
I bet they'll charge you a $100 fee for "wasting their time."
Posted by Snards | November 6, 2010 10:38 AM
I don't live in a "leaf removal district", yet there are a lot of huge deciduous trees on my street. I was out for a walk this morning, and took not of the huge swaths of leaves in the street here and there. Some are diligent about raking their leaves off of the streets and sidewalks, while others choose to let the leaves decay in place. We all know what a treacherous gooey mess that creates on the sidewalks when it rains. There are no negative consequences for property owners in my neighborhood who ignore their leaf removal duty. I think Portland's leaf tax is unfair, in that it targets those in some neighborhoods, but not in others.
Posted by Frank | November 6, 2010 10:45 AM
an unintended consequence of getting residents out of their vehicles.
Too true: it's a bit like the two state initiatives: one, to double the vehicle registration fee (which was done a few years ago) on cars like the Prius, that don't use enough fuel to pay their share of the gallonage tax; and the other, coming soon, to track the movements of all vehicles so that the tax can be charged on the basis of miles drive, thus removing the intolerable inequity of fuel efficiency.
Posted by Allan L. | November 6, 2010 12:25 PM
Leaf me alone, dammit!
Don't Sweep On Me
Posted by Mojo | November 6, 2010 12:45 PM
I suggest we all rake our leaves into piles that spell out messages to the city. I have enough leaves to make the letters F and U .
Posted by jocoze | November 6, 2010 2:14 PM
'You know what would be funny - Sam telling Randy to pay up. He's saying, I told you I bet I can make Jack pick up his own leaves!' Leonard always has to have the last word/laugh so he'll head over to bojacks house and 'accidently' trip over that long crack running along the driveway and then sue the crap out of him.......
Posted by john dull | November 6, 2010 3:03 PM
THE TRIMET FEE
I think I have a solution for the financial troubles at TriMet. Require every resident in the district buy a bus pass. I'm not sure what the opt out would be, but it would probably involve some heavy lifting or perhaps security work.
Posted by John | November 6, 2010 3:12 PM
The City swept my neighborhood (Alameda) North of Fremont on Thurs last week. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to pull a 'Jack' and get my frontage cleared. Like many folks have commented, I have two small trees that don't drop until Dec. I sent a note to the Leafremoval email address and asked for a re-schedule. I received a prompt response indicating the City would consider that next year.
Back to Thursday: when I returned home from work, it didn't look like they had actually cleaned. The city scrapped the leaves, with the plows I suspect. But they didn't follow with with the street sweepers, as they've done every year since I lived in the neighborhood. So all the debris smaller than a leaf, mud, etc was all left at the curb. My wife even asked if anything had happened. I took images and happy to share. I'm wondering if this would be considered 'half' a job and therefore I should only be subject to $7.50 for this weeks compulsory fee. Or if the service now only includes just the initial scrape, and no street sweeping. (???)
My other concern is that someone park at my curb, unbeknownst to me, while i'm at work and during the sweeping day. I wonder how I might get relief should that happen. I'll probably get a reply from the City saying they'll consider that scenario next year.
What a disaster.
Posted by glenn | November 6, 2010 4:51 PM
At least your yard and street look sharp.
But seriously, I can see at least a dozen leaves at the bottom of the last photo. You want your exculpatory evidence to be unimpeachable.
Posted by none | November 6, 2010 10:02 PM
The property line is just below the water meter.
Posted by Jack Bog | November 6, 2010 11:04 PM
No leaf removal service in my neighborhood either. I have some big trees, and I am pretty diligent about keeping the sidewalk raked. I also rake the parking strip, and if it looks like leaves are clogging up the storm drain, I will rake them away from the drain. But aside from fallen branches, what falls on the street stays on the street. Why should I lend City Hall a hand when they offer my neighbors and I no help whatsoever in dealing with the real litter problem around here : vehicles illegally stored on the street?
Posted by Patsy | November 7, 2010 11:46 AM
Yeah! That's a good point.
Where do I send the bill for my regular clearance of the corner drain?
Posted by godfry | November 7, 2010 12:00 PM
As we all know, they don't plough snow on residential streets either. They do send the street-sweeper through a few times a year, but with all the illegally-stored vehicles on my street, a lot of the street doesn't get swept. Really, I don't know why they bother.
Posted by Patsy | November 7, 2010 1:33 PM
Jack, I'd like to see the look on your face when you read Brad Schmidt's 11/12 Oregonlive article on the Leaf fee removal program. You just can't make this stuff up!
Posted by Mike Riley | November 12, 2010 2:26 PM
It will probably be as easy as the fee they say they do not collect for Storm Water.
I pay it and we do not even have drains, With a 300 foot by 90 foot lot my storm water never gets close to the street.
The one question where they demand a tree count including hieght has me confused. Do taller trees 200 feet from the road create more run off.
Posted by JohnyB | November 12, 2010 3:26 PM
You may be off the hook:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/city_hall_no_proof_needed_to_o.html
Posted by Tom Parker | November 12, 2010 4:50 PM