The outer limits of PC
I'm all for gender antidiscrimination laws, but when they start outlawing venerable institutions such as ladies' nights in bars, you've got to wonder.
I'm all for gender antidiscrimination laws, but when they start outlawing venerable institutions such as ladies' nights in bars, you've got to wonder.
Comments (8)
It was only a matter of time...
Posted by Craig | June 3, 2004 5:03 AM
"The complaint that led to Tuesday's ruling was filed six years ago by a male customer, David R. Gillespie, who claimed it wasn't fair for women to get into the Coastline for free while men paid $5 and for women to get discounted drinks while men paid full price."
This is a man who truly does not understand how things work. Sometimes it's a good thing to encourage women to attend things or encourage them to stay away and its worth a few bucks to make that happen.
In another, similar sort of thing here in Portland, the Fairview Balleys' has a women's only section. The area which includes weights and aerobic machines is only accessible through the women's locker rooms. Women members don't pay extra for their private area. Women have the choice of working out in the main area with the men or working out in the private area. Clearly, it's discriminatory until you take a peek at the size of the women in this private area. Oh my Lord... I would gladly pay extra to have these women exercise in the own private area.
Posted by rod | June 3, 2004 5:57 AM
Here's why it's not PC to have ladies' nights: the subcontext is to get women drunk and make them easy targets for predatory men. Typically the women are allowed in earlier and encouraged to drink a lot before men even show. By then, defenses are down and clear thinking is gone.
Posted by alan | June 3, 2004 6:48 AM
That's what guys hope is going to happen. 8c)
Posted by Jack Bog | June 3, 2004 6:55 AM
The irony is not lost, but if you apply the rule to any other group, it fails the test for discriminatory behaviour.
Two women going out together (in a committed relationship and not seeking male companionship) would get into the bar in question for free and drink for less. Two males going out together (in a committed relationship and not seeking female companionship) would each pay for admission and pay double the female rate for drinks.
Personally, I have always steered clear of bars or pubs that advertise such shallow marketing, but that's why I love the general pub culture in Portland, which by and large eschews this sort of crass appeal to the Pabst-drinking set.
Posted by Verde | June 3, 2004 7:41 AM
You got to love Jersey. We have hundreds of go-go, flesh-peddling bars like the BadaBing, but you can't have ladies nights at the gin mill.
There were 2 old bars in Jersey City back in the 70's called the Tube Bar and Dahoney's that encouraged "bad drinking". A shot of Wild Turkey was 50 cents, and a double shot was 65 cents. Not a real questions as to the cowboys' choice on which way to go there. When you got heavily inebriated from these incentive-laden choices, there was a leaning shelf opposite the bar where you could attempt to fall asleep while still standing. Some politico outlawed the 2 for one pricing, and later in the 90's, they outlawed Happy Hour. Now, no ladies night.
Maybe they had it right in Deadwood. Go to the saloon, gamble, find a professional lady and never leave the building, or drive drunk. Beats Trump Palace if you ask me.
Posted by brother gary | June 3, 2004 8:11 AM
Hell - even the oil change establishments here offer a discount to "Ladies and Seniors" on Tuesdays. I don't know any men who find that offensive, and they don't eve get the added plus of being able to hit on those women like they do at a "Ladies Night" in a bar...
Posted by Zoot | June 3, 2004 9:08 AM
"Here's why it's not PC to have ladies' nights: the subcontext is to get women drunk and make them easy targets for predatory men. Typically the women are allowed in earlier and encouraged to drink a lot before men even show. By then, defenses are down and clear thinking is gone."
I didn't know there was a subcontext to something as cliched as "ladies' night," but assuming you are correct, so what? Aren't women responsible for their actions, despite the cost of a drink being discounted? Am I a member of such a weak, pliable gender that I am unable to control myself when faced with the prospect of inexpensive well drinks and gentlemen who would seek special time with my nether regions?
Give us a break, please! That mode of thinking is outdated and insulting. Women who drink too much and "lose their inhibitions" (read: screw anyone who asks politely) must learn how to, well, drink less.
Posted by Robin | June 3, 2004 12:04 PM