Jim,
I think the choice is between an adult and a problem child.
Jefferson Smith just seems like a political version of the doctor's creation in "Young Frankenstein." (God, I love that movie. I even got a chance to meet Teri Garr once and tell her how much I love her.)
Anyway, Candidate Jeffy is the perfect political creation - tall and strong - until Marty Feldman drops the intelligent brain on the floor and brings back another sample:
Freddy: Now, that brain that you gave me, was it Hans Delbruck's?
Igor: No.
Freddy: Ah, good. Would you mind telling me whose brain I did put in?
Igor: And you wont be angry.
Freddy: I will not be angry.
Igor: Abbey someone.
Freddy: Abbey someone. Abbey who?
Igor: Abbey normal.
Freddy: Abbey normal.
Igor: I'm almost sure that was the name.
I think it's clear that Jeffy ain't hooked up right. And for some group like this Bike Walk Vote bunch to endorse him, when he's a driving lunatic who actually puts their own members in danger, is a great example of selling out your core beliefs to kiss up to a politician.
Bill, Jeffy keeps reminding me of someone I've seen before, then I saw a re-run of Scrubs. He's Dr. Perry Ulysses Cox played by John McGinley. They both even have presumptuous names. And the kinky hair, then Dr. Cox acts frantic like Jeffy. Portland's new Scrubs.
Bill,
Have you done an interview with Hales?
Would be interesting to know what you think.
He is very clever with words.
In my opinion, he is wanted in there by some as the fox in the hen house.
I have mentioned before don't want either one.
As time unfolds, we are finding out more, but at the moment anyway, it seems many distractions, the coal, fluoride, Barbur Blvd. plan, school and library bonds, and not much in depth focus on these two and their positions on so many critical issues.
One thing I have from my family background is a lot of experience being around big-time executives. Don't blame me - I was born into it.
My father was an oil company executive and he did it with a degree in English from Columbia. No geology background - just his smarts.
You could imagine how the kids in my college dorm would feel about an oil company executive coming to visit, especially during the early 70s. What would happen is my dad would roll in, take us out on the town, and absolutely wow them. They'd be talking about how great he was 6 months later, and often openly wondering what happened to me.
One little secret about the corporate world is that these executives often have star power. Sure, you have your psychopathic personalities who so often rise to the top, but there are a lot of real characters mixed in, and I thought they were pretty damn entertaining.
I did interview Charlie Hales, and I could picture him as a big-time executive. He was up to the task. Now, I'm not talking policy here. I didn't spare his feelings one bit on that, as you'll see if you read the interview. But he came across as a high-caliber executive. Not in my fathers league, but that was the real big-time. That was the "lear jet-meet with the King" type of executive.
Jefferson Smith on the other hand, struck me as more of a psychopathic personality. I'm not saying I know or am qualified to assess him in any professional way, but he just didn't come across as someone I would put in charge of anything. I wouldn't hire him to drive a bunch of kids in a bus, and this was before the driving record.
One nod to my instincts was that I vibed the violence part with him. I had no knowledge of it, but he just felt like your basic tavern-level psychopath, and I was not surprised when it later turned out he's so violent.
Finally, I don't understand Jim's logic here that assumes Jefferson would be incompetent. These types are often extremely skilled at implementing their schemes, and fooling people about their motives.
The man did graduate from Harvard Law School, for Christ sake, so while Jim thinks he's incompetent, that could just be wishful thinking, or maybe projecting.
I certainly don't want to roll the dice with someone whom I wouldn't put in charge of a school crosswalk, much less a city.
Bill McDonald: It's your vote, Jim. You lost me with your ridiculous downplaying of Fukushima. JK: Fukushima. Was a good example of incompetence & government incompetence..
Now tell how many people died in the tsunami vs. how many died at Fukushima.
Next look up hormesis and radiation hormesis.
Now tell us how many people will die as a result of Fukushima..
Compare that to the number of people who would die as a result of switching to coal power.
And compare that to the number of people who would die from shutting down all coal and nuclear power.
Life is risky, get used to it! (What do you think is the most dangerous - walking driving or flying across the country? How about cooking with wood vs nuclear electric?)
Bill McDonald: One nod to my instincts was that I vibed the violence part with him. I had no knowledge of it, but he just felt like your basic tavern-level psychopath, and I was not surprised when it later turned out he's so violent. JK: All the more reason he will be a perfect fit to perfectly progressive, perfectly planned Portland.
Bill McDonald: Finally, I don't understand Jim's logic here that assumes Jefferson would be incompetent. These types are often extremely skilled at implementing their schemes, and fooling people about their motives. JK: My best guess is that he will be a laughing stock. Again, so perfectly fitting for the perfectly progressive Portland.
Bill McDonald: The man did graduate from Harvard Law School, for Christ sake, so while Jim thinks he's incompetent, that could just be wishful thinking, or maybe projecting. JK: Projecting? Are you calling me incompetent? Or should you be looking in the mirror when you talk about projecting?
Your smug comments after Fukushima remain some of the most incompetent analysis I've ever read. You took the tone that this was a bunch of hysterical greenies who use every technological problem to criticize nuclear power while coal is so much worse. I said that was like comparing apples to radioactive oranges. The longterm problems of nuclear radiation are in a league of their own and I felt your comments were tone deaf and idiotic.
"JK: I have no expertise in the nuclear field, but know how to read beyond greenie propaganda & how to select which expert to listen to. (For instance anything coming our of any green organization is suspect - same as corporate PR.)
Having paid attention in several science classes helps too.
As they say : some people will do anything to save the earth. Except study science.
Thanks
JK"
Meanwhile, here's my initial reaction made back on March 11th, 2011 just as Fukushima was starting:
"We are witnessing a true drama more suspenseful than any Hollywood movie. Godzilla was a minor inconvenience compared to this beast."
Two weeks later on March 25th, 2011 I wrote, "Things are not getting better - they're getting worse. If I had to guess, I would say that a large piece of land in Japan will be uninhabitable when this is over. In that sense it won't really be over - not for centuries. My opinion is that many people will die from its effects starting with the workers at the plant, but winding through years of cancers, etc...
I'm sorry if my horror at what happened to the people over there, fueled some disrespectful comments early on directed at Mr. Karlock. I should have just waited to see if this was no big deal compared to the deaths from coal - as Mr. Karlock pointed out over and over.
However, now that I've had time to reflect on what has happened, I would like to amend my remarks directed to Mr. Karlock and include this one:
I wish he would take his smug "I know science and you don't" attitude, roll it up into a big fuel-rod shaped object, and shove it up his ass.
Thanks. (March 25th, 2011)
It's almost a year and a half later, and Fukushima continues in crisis mode, but have you apologized for your "no big deal" attitude? Of course not. You're one of those smug, incompetent, know-it-all's who can't admit when they're wrong.
"The man did graduate from Harvard Law School, for Christ sake, so while Jim thinks he's incompetent, that could just be wishful thinking, or maybe projecting."
Yawn. Given the quality of politicians that Harvard Law School has given us both on a local (hi, Steve Novick!) and national level, Harvard Law School has a lot to answer for.
Politics and society would be much improved if we stopped our obsession with credentialism, and focused on what people have actually accomplished.
Harry,
I'll try to tone down the self promo look at me stuff. You're right - it's obnoxious. It reminds me of the time when I...darn, there I go again.
Have to go with Bill on the JS psych analysis. Stable, mature adults do not punch athletic competitors below the belt, no matter what the circumstances. Coached girls and boys basketball for over a decade and never saw it happen, even among troubled teenagers.
Either way Portland is screwed again. It's just a question of who will screw you less. My cousin went to high school with Jefferson Smith and says he is a first class d****e bag. (I’ll take his word for it.) Maybe Charlie will get tired of the commute from Camas and move back to Portland. In my opinion, Darcelle would make a better choice than either one of them.
That's a disturbing pattern: I've seen comments about Jefferson Smith where people are very positive but also say they've never even met the guy. They just believe the hype.
Meanwhile, a guy like Max Brumm, who is by most accounts a nice young person, gets to know Jefferson and Max is adamant that Smith should never hold office in Portland.
Here we have OregonOak's cousin who apparently went to high school with Jeffy, and the phrase is "a first class d****e bag." There's your bumper sticker: "Jefferson Smith: A First Class D****e Bag"
This campaign is a race between Jefferson Smith's ability to sell a phony image, and the reality of who he is. He's running against his true self. The more he can keep himself from the voters and throw up this facade, the better chance he has to win.
If you avoid the write-in option and look at the choice of a liar or a nutcase, it's probably best to go with the liar because he's more predictable. And less likely to throw a nut punch.
Here's a dirty little secret.
Graduating from Harvard law School is no big deal. Nobody flunks out, though some quit.
Getting into Harvard Law is difficult. Lots of competition.
But graduating isn't difficult.
There are lw schools in Californis, for example, that are far more rigorous academically than Harvard, and from which folks do flunk out. Boalt Hall, Stanford; USC.
Comments (26)
All those typos. It looks like the Trib has laid off all of its proofreaders just like the O.
Posted by reader | August 29, 2012 7:32 PM
Maybe crazy would be better than developer insider. At least no one would be able to predict what he might do next.
Just a thought...
Posted by Mr. Grumpy | August 29, 2012 8:44 PM
Charlie jammed the streetcar and density down our throats. He doesn't deserve to be dog catcher.
But, it is getting harder to vote for Jeff.
PS: Charle volunteered, to METRO, for Portland to take MORE than its "fair" share of regional density. Simply unforgivable.
He also started the practice of taking road money to give to streetcars. Also unforgivable.
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | August 29, 2012 9:09 PM
Then he cashed in on the streetcar in the private sector.
Posted by Jack Bog | August 29, 2012 9:22 PM
Jim,
I think the choice is between an adult and a problem child.
Jefferson Smith just seems like a political version of the doctor's creation in "Young Frankenstein." (God, I love that movie. I even got a chance to meet Teri Garr once and tell her how much I love her.)
Anyway, Candidate Jeffy is the perfect political creation - tall and strong - until Marty Feldman drops the intelligent brain on the floor and brings back another sample:
Freddy: Now, that brain that you gave me, was it Hans Delbruck's?
Igor: No.
Freddy: Ah, good. Would you mind telling me whose brain I did put in?
Igor: And you wont be angry.
Freddy: I will not be angry.
Igor: Abbey someone.
Freddy: Abbey someone. Abbey who?
Igor: Abbey normal.
Freddy: Abbey normal.
Igor: I'm almost sure that was the name.
I think it's clear that Jeffy ain't hooked up right. And for some group like this Bike Walk Vote bunch to endorse him, when he's a driving lunatic who actually puts their own members in danger, is a great example of selling out your core beliefs to kiss up to a politician.
Posted by Bill McDonald | August 29, 2012 10:17 PM
Bill McDonald I think it's clear that Jeffy ain't hooked up right
JK: And it is pretty clear that Charlie has greatly harmed the city:
--Giving property tax money to developers at the expense of schools, social services, police & fire departments. http://youtu.be/GHKh9KI21nE
--Trashing our neighborhoods with increased density (he volunteered us for more density than METRO wanted to shove on us.)
--Wasting money on streetcars.
--Giving road money (parking meters) to the streetcar.
--His is your basic slime ball politician, out for himself.
Better an incompetent, than a greedy, slime ball, sellout to developers.
Thanks
Jk
Posted by jim karlock | August 29, 2012 10:44 PM
Then he cashed in on the streetcar in the private sector.
Hales and HDR.
Hales was in transit. HDR has a huge market in water.
http://www.hdrinc.com/markets
http://www.hdrinc.com/markets/water/water
My opinion is that because of his association with HDR that
he has a conflict of interest and would have to recuse himself on many matters.
Posted by clinamen | August 29, 2012 10:45 PM
Bill, Jeffy keeps reminding me of someone I've seen before, then I saw a re-run of Scrubs. He's Dr. Perry Ulysses Cox played by John McGinley. They both even have presumptuous names. And the kinky hair, then Dr. Cox acts frantic like Jeffy. Portland's new Scrubs.
Posted by Lee | August 29, 2012 11:10 PM
Jim Karlock,
It's your vote, Jim. You lost me with your ridiculous downplaying of Fukushima.
Posted by Bill McDonald | August 29, 2012 11:33 PM
Bill,
Have you done an interview with Hales?
Would be interesting to know what you think.
He is very clever with words.
In my opinion, he is wanted in there by some as the fox in the hen house.
I have mentioned before don't want either one.
As time unfolds, we are finding out more, but at the moment anyway, it seems many distractions, the coal, fluoride, Barbur Blvd. plan, school and library bonds, and not much in depth focus on these two and their positions on so many critical issues.
Posted by clinamen | August 29, 2012 11:51 PM
Write in LVGV.
Posted by Jack Bog | August 29, 2012 11:57 PM
Yeah, I interviewed Charlie Hales, but first:
One thing I have from my family background is a lot of experience being around big-time executives. Don't blame me - I was born into it.
My father was an oil company executive and he did it with a degree in English from Columbia. No geology background - just his smarts.
You could imagine how the kids in my college dorm would feel about an oil company executive coming to visit, especially during the early 70s. What would happen is my dad would roll in, take us out on the town, and absolutely wow them. They'd be talking about how great he was 6 months later, and often openly wondering what happened to me.
One little secret about the corporate world is that these executives often have star power. Sure, you have your psychopathic personalities who so often rise to the top, but there are a lot of real characters mixed in, and I thought they were pretty damn entertaining.
I did interview Charlie Hales, and I could picture him as a big-time executive. He was up to the task. Now, I'm not talking policy here. I didn't spare his feelings one bit on that, as you'll see if you read the interview. But he came across as a high-caliber executive. Not in my fathers league, but that was the real big-time. That was the "lear jet-meet with the King" type of executive.
Jefferson Smith on the other hand, struck me as more of a psychopathic personality. I'm not saying I know or am qualified to assess him in any professional way, but he just didn't come across as someone I would put in charge of anything. I wouldn't hire him to drive a bunch of kids in a bus, and this was before the driving record.
One nod to my instincts was that I vibed the violence part with him. I had no knowledge of it, but he just felt like your basic tavern-level psychopath, and I was not surprised when it later turned out he's so violent.
Finally, I don't understand Jim's logic here that assumes Jefferson would be incompetent. These types are often extremely skilled at implementing their schemes, and fooling people about their motives.
The man did graduate from Harvard Law School, for Christ sake, so while Jim thinks he's incompetent, that could just be wishful thinking, or maybe projecting.
I certainly don't want to roll the dice with someone whom I wouldn't put in charge of a school crosswalk, much less a city.
Here's the Charlie Hales interview:
http://www.neighborhoodnotes.com/news/2011/11/meet_charlie_hales_eastmoreland_neighbor_mayoral_candidate/
Posted by Bill McDonald | August 30, 2012 12:43 AM
The man did graduate from Harvard Law School, for Christ sake
Top 10% of the class, no less.
Posted by Jack Bog | August 30, 2012 12:49 AM
Bill McDonald: It's your vote, Jim. You lost me with your ridiculous downplaying of Fukushima.
JK: Fukushima. Was a good example of incompetence & government incompetence..
Now tell how many people died in the tsunami vs. how many died at Fukushima.
Next look up hormesis and radiation hormesis.
Now tell us how many people will die as a result of Fukushima..
Compare that to the number of people who would die as a result of switching to coal power.
And compare that to the number of people who would die from shutting down all coal and nuclear power.
Life is risky, get used to it! (What do you think is the most dangerous - walking driving or flying across the country? How about cooking with wood vs nuclear electric?)
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | August 30, 2012 2:00 AM
Bill McDonald: One nod to my instincts was that I vibed the violence part with him. I had no knowledge of it, but he just felt like your basic tavern-level psychopath, and I was not surprised when it later turned out he's so violent.
JK: All the more reason he will be a perfect fit to perfectly progressive, perfectly planned Portland.
Bill McDonald: Finally, I don't understand Jim's logic here that assumes Jefferson would be incompetent. These types are often extremely skilled at implementing their schemes, and fooling people about their motives.
JK: My best guess is that he will be a laughing stock. Again, so perfectly fitting for the perfectly progressive Portland.
Bill McDonald: The man did graduate from Harvard Law School, for Christ sake, so while Jim thinks he's incompetent, that could just be wishful thinking, or maybe projecting.
JK: Projecting? Are you calling me incompetent? Or should you be looking in the mirror when you talk about projecting?
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | August 30, 2012 2:07 AM
Your smug comments after Fukushima remain some of the most incompetent analysis I've ever read. You took the tone that this was a bunch of hysterical greenies who use every technological problem to criticize nuclear power while coal is so much worse. I said that was like comparing apples to radioactive oranges. The longterm problems of nuclear radiation are in a league of their own and I felt your comments were tone deaf and idiotic.
"JK: I have no expertise in the nuclear field, but know how to read beyond greenie propaganda & how to select which expert to listen to. (For instance anything coming our of any green organization is suspect - same as corporate PR.)
Having paid attention in several science classes helps too.
As they say : some people will do anything to save the earth. Except study science.
Thanks
JK"
Meanwhile, here's my initial reaction made back on March 11th, 2011 just as Fukushima was starting:
"We are witnessing a true drama more suspenseful than any Hollywood movie. Godzilla was a minor inconvenience compared to this beast."
Two weeks later on March 25th, 2011 I wrote, "Things are not getting better - they're getting worse. If I had to guess, I would say that a large piece of land in Japan will be uninhabitable when this is over. In that sense it won't really be over - not for centuries. My opinion is that many people will die from its effects starting with the workers at the plant, but winding through years of cancers, etc...
I'm sorry if my horror at what happened to the people over there, fueled some disrespectful comments early on directed at Mr. Karlock. I should have just waited to see if this was no big deal compared to the deaths from coal - as Mr. Karlock pointed out over and over.
However, now that I've had time to reflect on what has happened, I would like to amend my remarks directed to Mr. Karlock and include this one:
I wish he would take his smug "I know science and you don't" attitude, roll it up into a big fuel-rod shaped object, and shove it up his ass.
Thanks. (March 25th, 2011)
It's almost a year and a half later, and Fukushima continues in crisis mode, but have you apologized for your "no big deal" attitude? Of course not. You're one of those smug, incompetent, know-it-all's who can't admit when they're wrong.
No wonder you like Jefferson Smith so much.
Posted by Bill McDonald | August 30, 2012 4:01 AM
"You're one of those smug, incompetent, know-it-all's who can't admit when they're wrong."
And you?
Are you the kettle or the pot?
Smug? Check
Incompetent? Check
know-it-all's who can't admit when they're wrong? Check
Posted by Harry | August 30, 2012 7:56 AM
Sorry, but I do get tired of having to wade through all the self promo look at me stuff from Bill. So much so I often wonder whose blog this is.
Posted by Harry | August 30, 2012 8:00 AM
"The man did graduate from Harvard Law School, for Christ sake, so while Jim thinks he's incompetent, that could just be wishful thinking, or maybe projecting."
Yawn. Given the quality of politicians that Harvard Law School has given us both on a local (hi, Steve Novick!) and national level, Harvard Law School has a lot to answer for.
Politics and society would be much improved if we stopped our obsession with credentialism, and focused on what people have actually accomplished.
Posted by Random | August 30, 2012 8:01 AM
Harry,
I'll try to tone down the self promo look at me stuff. You're right - it's obnoxious. It reminds me of the time when I...darn, there I go again.
Posted by Bill McDonald | August 30, 2012 8:53 AM
Have to go with Bill on the JS psych analysis. Stable, mature adults do not punch athletic competitors below the belt, no matter what the circumstances. Coached girls and boys basketball for over a decade and never saw it happen, even among troubled teenagers.
Posted by Drewbob | August 30, 2012 9:25 AM
Either way Portland is screwed again. It's just a question of who will screw you less. My cousin went to high school with Jefferson Smith and says he is a first class d****e bag. (I’ll take his word for it.) Maybe Charlie will get tired of the commute from Camas and move back to Portland. In my opinion, Darcelle would make a better choice than either one of them.
Posted by OregonOak | August 30, 2012 9:34 AM
That's a disturbing pattern: I've seen comments about Jefferson Smith where people are very positive but also say they've never even met the guy. They just believe the hype.
Meanwhile, a guy like Max Brumm, who is by most accounts a nice young person, gets to know Jefferson and Max is adamant that Smith should never hold office in Portland.
Here we have OregonOak's cousin who apparently went to high school with Jeffy, and the phrase is "a first class d****e bag." There's your bumper sticker: "Jefferson Smith: A First Class D****e Bag"
This campaign is a race between Jefferson Smith's ability to sell a phony image, and the reality of who he is. He's running against his true self. The more he can keep himself from the voters and throw up this facade, the better chance he has to win.
Posted by Bill McDonald | August 30, 2012 9:47 AM
Makes me nostalgic for the "Expose yourself to art" days.
Posted by Drewbob | August 30, 2012 9:51 AM
If you avoid the write-in option and look at the choice of a liar or a nutcase, it's probably best to go with the liar because he's more predictable. And less likely to throw a nut punch.
Posted by jmh | August 30, 2012 10:21 AM
Here's a dirty little secret.
Graduating from Harvard law School is no big deal. Nobody flunks out, though some quit.
Getting into Harvard Law is difficult. Lots of competition.
But graduating isn't difficult.
There are lw schools in Californis, for example, that are far more rigorous academically than Harvard, and from which folks do flunk out. Boalt Hall, Stanford; USC.
Posted by Nonny Mouse | August 30, 2012 11:22 AM