This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about yesterday when I said I don't worry at all about the religious fundamentalists in the US. They pose no real threat. This kind of things does, and with your money to boot.
Tax money for this? Jack, why does this go on while school people got hammered (and rightfully so) for crossing the line with that school levy lasy year?
Stop eating meat and our eyes will evolve back to the sides of our heads and something that still eats meat will our predator. That's how life on planet Gaia works. Pretending it isn't true doesn't make it so. Reread Wells' "The Time Machine".
"Over 17 years ago Portland began working to combat climate change"
This is a grotesque waste of tax money by insane, incompetent and dishonest public officials and a sea of hard left activists who have been made bureaucrats over these many years.
The city of Portland, and neighbouring counties are on the way for more ways to waste your money, tax , raise fees and ignore laws why be surprised? The leftist losers wish to control what they wish to control. Portland will elect & reelect more leftist politicians, surprise me not. No one cares, who is to stop the insanity?
"Don’t worry about protein. Many plants have more protein per calorie than meat."
This may or may not be true depending on the foods you're comparing. However, aside from a couple of vegetable sources, vegetables don't have complete proteins and you have to combine two or more plant sources with complementary amino acids to get complete proteins.
There's a lot more to being a healthy vegetarian or "semi-vegetarian" (w/e that is) than just removing meat from your diet. But, the CoP only seems to focus on being "green" and never really considers the practical implications of their policies.
More nonsense from Portland city hall, true. But I'm a tad confused on how a college student wanting contraceptive coverage from her insurance is exactly like the city wasting $ on questionable nutritional advice, sally.
Speaking of a certain sci-fi flick mentioned above, don't you ever wonder about that "pioneering" composting facility at North Plains? After all, environmentalists already have serious concerns about cemeteries. If they (i.e, we the tax/ratepayer subsidizers) ever get the process down, the only piece missing would be the subsidized euthanasia clinics to assist the tired, the old, the sick, the indebted, or the unproductive to pay off their debts to society (or the Water Bureau) while making a graceful exit.
What would I do without the city telling me how to plan my meals, get to work, sort my trash, use or not use water, carry my groceries home, etc.?
I've been too hard on the nice folks in local government, it's no wonder the streets suck, the decent paying jobs are fleeing, and the city is a shooting gallery for wanna be thugs, they have so many bigger, more important problems to address. Saving the world is really hard!
I'm so tired of the "meat is so energy intensive" argument. It fails to take into account the different methods of raising meat. Animals pastured their entire life preserve perennial vegetation, mitigating tillage, and require less gasoline, pesticides, and fertilizers. Some aren't fed corn or soy. They provide organic fertilizer to grow those vegetables you're supposed to substitute for meat. Plus, they make for a balanced, tasty meal when combined with all the other good foods of the world. I guess that remains too nuanced a view of "meat."
Here's an off-topic question that Mr. Grumpy's slightly macabre question brought to my mind: Why isn't the North Plains composting facility being pushed to burn methane (reduce smell/generate electricity) with the same effort that is being put into the Columbia Biogas plea for public dollars? Doesn't it make more sense to do it out there - where we're already sending our waste?
All forms of food production require energy... If you can grow all your food on your own half-acre plot (plenty of room for some crops, a couple chickens, maybe a goat or a cow or two), then that requires hardly any electricity compared to having to have your food produced and transported from elsewhere.
Of course, Portland decided that it wasn't right for us to have large plots - we can only have 150 square feet of space per person, stacked up in tall concrete structures, so we can't grow anything ourselves; and Portland's tiny 200 foot by 200 foot city blocks don't leave enough room on the rooftops to grow crops for an entire condo bunker. And then those tall buildings require more energy to heat and cool than simple farmhouses...plus being built downtown, the ground is impermeable so massive water treatment plants are required, and the city pumps and transports water from how many miles away instead of homes being built specifically where water is nearby?
Of course...Portland used to be marshes and swamps. That's why the Hudsons Bay Company set up their settlement in Vancouver while Portland was basically nothing. It took a lot of energy to fill in all this unusable land, then raise it higher because of the continual Willamette River floods...destroying all of the natural land and wildlife habitat...
This website put out by the City of Portland, our tax dollars are paying for that?
Since when do we need to have this kind of behavioral change intrusion from our city hall? What we should eat, what kind of stuff we should buy and mend and repair?
If those who are so into climate change and behavioral change, GO go into the private sector, take your climate and behavioral change ideas and pay for your own agenda
with planners, printouts, websites, etc.
We have money to pay for all of this yet no roads paved for five years, yada yada yada!
While I am at it, many of you know my concerns about our truly sustainable water system. There seems to be no mention from those change promoters for "our healthy lifestyles" about the radon issue or that our drinking water could be seriously degraded?
I recently asked one from the Portland Sustainability Institute what their position was on our Bull Run Water matter. He said they didn't have one and and he didn't at all seem concerned.
"I'm a tad confused on how a college student wanting contraceptive coverage from her insurance is exactly like the city wasting $ on questionable nutritional advice, sally."
Ex-bartender: Fair enough. I should not have said exactly. But I did mean to draw a comparison with "progressive" policies that evolve to so much governmental mandate. The discussion was about the religious right, and they are not the "problem" with Catholic church which is its own bastion of very longstanding dogma.
a) Climate Change (meaning the false assumption that human-produced CO2 is causing catastrophic climate conditions) is much more likely to be a natural cycle. The average global temperature (if that can even be measured) has been essentially flat for the last 12-15 years.
b) More and more people are finding out that a diet of grains is what is causing most of our health problems. There was recently a heart surgeon of 25 years, that said that the food pyramid chart is all wrong and that a diet that is composed of mostly animal fat is the best diet to have a healthy heart.
c) Stop the F telling me what to do! Especially since you are so freaking ignorant of the natural world. Your supposed solutions just happen to benefit those that are wanting to take us all down. Stop feeding the flames, you idiots!
"Wow. They're telling you how to eat now. Unbelievable."
You haven't read the Portland Climate Action Plan, clearly. They have a section on "Food and Agriculture", laying out how the planners intend to regulate the eating habits of the proles.
From The Plan:
2030 OBJECTIVE 14.
Reduce consumption of carbon-intensive foods.
2030 OBJECTIVE 15.
Significantly increase the consumption of local food.
No more fruits from Latin America in the wintertime for you!
How does everyone feel about potatoes, carrots, onions and beets? And those lovely local veggies WILL be 1/2 rotten and covered with slime by February in most households.
Of course no one has root cellars any more...or are those what the condo bunker 'storage units' are for?
But...of course! this will all make for more compost! And rats!
Par for the course for the local liberals. Not much difference between the local liberasl and and good old fashioned fascists. Some differences in basic beliefs, but the local liberals want to run your life with total control. It isn't exactly a "liberal" outlook, not sure why they use that label. Guess it sounds better than Hitler Youth.
Portlanders are not yet tired of the leaders they elected, nor their policies the create.
This blog and the commenters that bash Portland's ruling class are a minority of the overall voters. They will not effect much change, therefore Portland will have more of the same. Same song, different verse.
Things will have to get much worse, before the majority of Portlanders feel the pain, and vote to effect real change. Sad, but true.
liberal [ˈlɪbərəl ˈlɪbrəl]
adj
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom
3. giving and generous in temperament or behaviour
4. tolerant of other people
5. abundant; lavish a liberal helping of cream
6. not strict; free a liberal translation
7. (Social Science / Education) of or relating to an education that aims to develop general cultural interests and intellectual ability
n
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a person who has liberal ideas or opinions
[from Latin līberālis of freedom, from līber free]
"Don’t worry about protein. Many plants have more protein per calorie than meat."
Who writes this stuff? Besides being, as INFO said, a grotesque waste of taxpayer dollars, it is bad nutritional advice. I see nothing about the nine essential amino acids that make up a complete protein that needs to be present in order for protein to be used in the body. Plant foods rarely have complete proteins in the proportion needed to be useful and must be suplemented by their complements. Animal-based proteins are complete proteins. (Check Wikipedia "Complete Protein" for more info.) PDX should get out of the preaching business, especially when it comes to advising people about health topics. True Believers are not scientific or objective sources of information and some people might mistake the CoP imprimature as a sign of expertise with harmful results. What arrogance and stupidity! It's like someone let the kids loose with taxpayer money to do their school projects, but hopefully most teachers wouldn't let this sloppy work get by.
Comments (39)
Insert protein joke here.
Posted by Garage Wine | March 16, 2012 10:54 AM
If the city keeps wasting taxpayer money we will all be eating Soylent Green.
Posted by John Benton | March 16, 2012 11:06 AM
This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about yesterday when I said I don't worry at all about the religious fundamentalists in the US. They pose no real threat. This kind of things does, and with your money to boot.
Posted by sally | March 16, 2012 11:11 AM
Let us tell you how to live your life – at least for those things we haven't already FORCED YOU to change.
Posted by RJBob | March 16, 2012 11:14 AM
That is very un-Paleo of them.
Posted by reader | March 16, 2012 11:30 AM
Tax money for this? Jack, why does this go on while school people got hammered (and rightfully so) for crossing the line with that school levy lasy year?
Posted by paul | March 16, 2012 11:34 AM
Don't worry about evolution
Posted by Leaving soon | March 16, 2012 11:36 AM
Stop eating meat and our eyes will evolve back to the sides of our heads and something that still eats meat will our predator. That's how life on planet Gaia works. Pretending it isn't true doesn't make it so. Reread Wells' "The Time Machine".
Posted by Mr. Grumpy | March 16, 2012 11:49 AM
"Over 17 years ago Portland began working to combat climate change"
This is a grotesque waste of tax money by insane, incompetent and dishonest public officials and a sea of hard left activists who have been made bureaucrats over these many years.
Posted by INFO | March 16, 2012 11:54 AM
The city of Portland, and neighbouring counties are on the way for more ways to waste your money, tax , raise fees and ignore laws why be surprised? The leftist losers wish to control what they wish to control. Portland will elect & reelect more leftist politicians, surprise me not. No one cares, who is to stop the insanity?
Posted by vperl | March 16, 2012 11:59 AM
"Don’t worry about protein. Many plants have more protein per calorie than meat."
This may or may not be true depending on the foods you're comparing. However, aside from a couple of vegetable sources, vegetables don't have complete proteins and you have to combine two or more plant sources with complementary amino acids to get complete proteins.
There's a lot more to being a healthy vegetarian or "semi-vegetarian" (w/e that is) than just removing meat from your diet. But, the CoP only seems to focus on being "green" and never really considers the practical implications of their policies.
Posted by Pragmatic Portlander | March 16, 2012 12:23 PM
More nonsense from Portland city hall, true. But I'm a tad confused on how a college student wanting contraceptive coverage from her insurance is exactly like the city wasting $ on questionable nutritional advice, sally.
Posted by Ex-bartender | March 16, 2012 12:26 PM
Speaking of a certain sci-fi flick mentioned above, don't you ever wonder about that "pioneering" composting facility at North Plains? After all, environmentalists already have serious concerns about cemeteries. If they (i.e, we the tax/ratepayer subsidizers) ever get the process down, the only piece missing would be the subsidized euthanasia clinics to assist the tired, the old, the sick, the indebted, or the unproductive to pay off their debts to society (or the Water Bureau) while making a graceful exit.
Posted by Mr. Grumpy | March 16, 2012 12:33 PM
Wow. They're telling you how to eat now. Unbelievable.
Posted by dg | March 16, 2012 12:34 PM
Do any of our current candidates for mayor even eat meat?
Posted by dean | March 16, 2012 12:52 PM
What would I do without the city telling me how to plan my meals, get to work, sort my trash, use or not use water, carry my groceries home, etc.?
I've been too hard on the nice folks in local government, it's no wonder the streets suck, the decent paying jobs are fleeing, and the city is a shooting gallery for wanna be thugs, they have so many bigger, more important problems to address. Saving the world is really hard!
Posted by Roy | March 16, 2012 12:58 PM
What difference does that make Dean? I'm sure Sam Adams eats meat - and his administration is the one churning out this crap.
(sorry, that was too easy to pass up)
Posted by Pom Mom of LO | March 16, 2012 1:02 PM
I'm so tired of the "meat is so energy intensive" argument. It fails to take into account the different methods of raising meat. Animals pastured their entire life preserve perennial vegetation, mitigating tillage, and require less gasoline, pesticides, and fertilizers. Some aren't fed corn or soy. They provide organic fertilizer to grow those vegetables you're supposed to substitute for meat. Plus, they make for a balanced, tasty meal when combined with all the other good foods of the world. I guess that remains too nuanced a view of "meat."
Posted by Huck | March 16, 2012 1:04 PM
Here's an off-topic question that Mr. Grumpy's slightly macabre question brought to my mind: Why isn't the North Plains composting facility being pushed to burn methane (reduce smell/generate electricity) with the same effort that is being put into the Columbia Biogas plea for public dollars? Doesn't it make more sense to do it out there - where we're already sending our waste?
Posted by Huck | March 16, 2012 1:08 PM
All forms of food production require energy... If you can grow all your food on your own half-acre plot (plenty of room for some crops, a couple chickens, maybe a goat or a cow or two), then that requires hardly any electricity compared to having to have your food produced and transported from elsewhere.
Of course, Portland decided that it wasn't right for us to have large plots - we can only have 150 square feet of space per person, stacked up in tall concrete structures, so we can't grow anything ourselves; and Portland's tiny 200 foot by 200 foot city blocks don't leave enough room on the rooftops to grow crops for an entire condo bunker. And then those tall buildings require more energy to heat and cool than simple farmhouses...plus being built downtown, the ground is impermeable so massive water treatment plants are required, and the city pumps and transports water from how many miles away instead of homes being built specifically where water is nearby?
Of course...Portland used to be marshes and swamps. That's why the Hudsons Bay Company set up their settlement in Vancouver while Portland was basically nothing. It took a lot of energy to fill in all this unusable land, then raise it higher because of the continual Willamette River floods...destroying all of the natural land and wildlife habitat...
Posted by Erik H. | March 16, 2012 1:19 PM
Makes sense to me! The vegetables have been running city hall for a long time now.
Posted by Portland Native | March 16, 2012 1:32 PM
This website put out by the City of Portland, our tax dollars are paying for that?
Since when do we need to have this kind of behavioral change intrusion from our city hall? What we should eat, what kind of stuff we should buy and mend and repair?
If those who are so into climate change and behavioral change, GO go into the private sector, take your climate and behavioral change ideas and pay for your own agenda
with planners, printouts, websites, etc.
We have money to pay for all of this yet no roads paved for five years, yada yada yada!
While I am at it, many of you know my concerns about our truly sustainable water system. There seems to be no mention from those change promoters for "our healthy lifestyles" about the radon issue or that our drinking water could be seriously degraded?
I recently asked one from the Portland Sustainability Institute what their position was on our Bull Run Water matter. He said they didn't have one and and he didn't at all seem concerned.
Posted by clinamen | March 16, 2012 1:38 PM
"I'm a tad confused on how a college student wanting contraceptive coverage from her insurance is exactly like the city wasting $ on questionable nutritional advice, sally."
Ex-bartender: Fair enough. I should not have said exactly. But I did mean to draw a comparison with "progressive" policies that evolve to so much governmental mandate. The discussion was about the religious right, and they are not the "problem" with Catholic church which is its own bastion of very longstanding dogma.
Posted by sally | March 16, 2012 1:48 PM
So much wrong here, wow!
a) Climate Change (meaning the false assumption that human-produced CO2 is causing catastrophic climate conditions) is much more likely to be a natural cycle. The average global temperature (if that can even be measured) has been essentially flat for the last 12-15 years.
b) More and more people are finding out that a diet of grains is what is causing most of our health problems. There was recently a heart surgeon of 25 years, that said that the food pyramid chart is all wrong and that a diet that is composed of mostly animal fat is the best diet to have a healthy heart.
c) Stop the F telling me what to do! Especially since you are so freaking ignorant of the natural world. Your supposed solutions just happen to benefit those that are wanting to take us all down. Stop feeding the flames, you idiots!
Posted by Tim | March 16, 2012 1:49 PM
"Wow. They're telling you how to eat now. Unbelievable."
You haven't read the Portland Climate Action Plan, clearly. They have a section on "Food and Agriculture", laying out how the planners intend to regulate the eating habits of the proles.
From The Plan:
2030 OBJECTIVE 14.
Reduce consumption of carbon-intensive foods.
2030 OBJECTIVE 15.
Significantly increase the consumption of local food.
No more fruits from Latin America in the wintertime for you!
Posted by Random | March 16, 2012 2:23 PM
Curious word choice:
"Consider meat a side dish or condiment rather than the main event."
Seriously- some Flack let this go out under flag of our extra special Mayor?
Posted by Skamaniac | March 16, 2012 2:44 PM
How does everyone feel about potatoes, carrots, onions and beets? And those lovely local veggies WILL be 1/2 rotten and covered with slime by February in most households.
Of course no one has root cellars any more...or are those what the condo bunker 'storage units' are for?
But...of course! this will all make for more compost! And rats!
Posted by portland native | March 16, 2012 2:46 PM
Wait a minute. I thought our mayor enjoyed sausage.
Posted by RJBob | March 16, 2012 3:48 PM
You know if there were so all fired set on reducing their carbon footprint they would look up that death with dignity thing Oregon has....
Posted by tankfixer | March 16, 2012 6:39 PM
Besides, if you don't eat meat, your compost won't stink so bad as it rots.
Posted by Michelle | March 16, 2012 7:38 PM
You know if there were so all fired set on reducing their carbon footprint they would
not burn electrons (and tax dollars) on stupid pablum.
Posted by Max | March 16, 2012 8:56 PM
If Obama and Geitner continue to print dollars, the middle class won't be able to afford protein on a regular basis.
Posted by Mister Tee | March 16, 2012 9:35 PM
I am inspired to rush to the closest Carls Jr and order The Guacamole Bacon Six Dollar Burger® (1060 calories).
Just to balance out any Vegans. It's good to have balance
Posted by John D | March 16, 2012 9:48 PM
Par for the course for the local liberals. Not much difference between the local liberasl and and good old fashioned fascists. Some differences in basic beliefs, but the local liberals want to run your life with total control. It isn't exactly a "liberal" outlook, not sure why they use that label. Guess it sounds better than Hitler Youth.
Posted by Andy | March 16, 2012 9:53 PM
John D:
Go for it. Just don't eat the bun.
Posted by reader | March 16, 2012 10:14 PM
Portlanders are not yet tired of the leaders they elected, nor their policies the create.
This blog and the commenters that bash Portland's ruling class are a minority of the overall voters. They will not effect much change, therefore Portland will have more of the same. Same song, different verse.
Things will have to get much worse, before the majority of Portlanders feel the pain, and vote to effect real change. Sad, but true.
Posted by Harry | March 16, 2012 11:35 PM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/liberal
liberal [ˈlɪbərəl ˈlɪbrəl]
adj
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom
3. giving and generous in temperament or behaviour
4. tolerant of other people
5. abundant; lavish a liberal helping of cream
6. not strict; free a liberal translation
7. (Social Science / Education) of or relating to an education that aims to develop general cultural interests and intellectual ability
n
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a person who has liberal ideas or opinions
[from Latin līberālis of freedom, from līber free]
Posted by clinamen | March 16, 2012 11:41 PM
"Don’t worry about protein. Many plants have more protein per calorie than meat."
Who writes this stuff? Besides being, as INFO said, a grotesque waste of taxpayer dollars, it is bad nutritional advice. I see nothing about the nine essential amino acids that make up a complete protein that needs to be present in order for protein to be used in the body. Plant foods rarely have complete proteins in the proportion needed to be useful and must be suplemented by their complements. Animal-based proteins are complete proteins. (Check Wikipedia "Complete Protein" for more info.) PDX should get out of the preaching business, especially when it comes to advising people about health topics. True Believers are not scientific or objective sources of information and some people might mistake the CoP imprimature as a sign of expertise with harmful results. What arrogance and stupidity! It's like someone let the kids loose with taxpayer money to do their school projects, but hopefully most teachers wouldn't let this sloppy work get by.
Posted by Nolo | March 17, 2012 1:34 AM
Here is absolute proof that protein from other sources will hurt and even kill you.
How ironic is his fate to live by the bean and die by the bean.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9148115/Man-killed-buried-under-20-foot-mound-of-pinto-beans.html
Posted by Jamar Amhad | March 17, 2012 10:59 AM