Dead guy busted for voting by mail
Well, not exactly. But fearless state attorney general John Kroger has discovered that Oregon's vote-by-mail system allows housemates and relatives of dead people to -- gasp -- vote the dead people's ballots for them even after they've departed this mortal realm. In this case, Kroger's people prosecuted the dead guy's father, who was continuing to fill out and send in his deceased son's ballot.
If Kroger's caught one person doing this, how many others are out there, going undetected? And forget about dead people -- how many other ballots are filled out by someone other than the live person signing the envelope? Gee, we have no data. But vote-by-mail is great. Really. People now have heated conversations in their living rooms about candidates and issues -- conversations that never happened before.
Yeah, sure.
BTW, here's the guy that Kroger busted, in another role. And here he is, in another. You talk about fish in a barrel.
Comments (19)
This story almost certainly will get national attention from right-wing blogs... plays right into their meme about "rampant" voter fraud and how it is more pressing than, e.g., suppression of minority voting in other states.
Posted by PJB | September 16, 2010 8:25 AM
What the heck!? I mean ref mistakes are factored into football games. Ump mistakes move a baseball game in some direction. Voter fraud is just part of the election game. Let's work on getting rid of the Electoral College first before we worry about dead people voting. Anyway, if a dead person can still pay taxes why can't he vote?
Posted by Gary | September 16, 2010 8:34 AM
I wonder if annual voter registration might not be a bad thing anymore...that way you register each year (could be combined with your annual state income tax filing?) and you are then registered to vote in that year's primary and general election.
It could also serve as an annual census.
Yes, it's a little "big brotherly" and yes it'd cost more, but we would gain more accurate population counts (rather than the "official estimates" from PSU) and it would help reduce voter fraud. We would also have more accurate registered voter counts, and could purge ineligible voters (i.e. dead voters, relocated voters) much quicker than the current system in that you can theoretically be registered to vote indefinitely. For example, my wife is still registered to vote in Portland/Multnomah County because she didn't update her registration when we moved to Tigard.
Posted by Erik H. | September 16, 2010 9:10 AM
PJB,
except this guys is right out of central casting for a tea party rally.
Doesn't fit the illegal immigrant or felon registered by ACCORN meme that the GOP is pushing
Posted by eric k | September 16, 2010 10:03 AM
We've been voting by mail for years, and I still miss going to the polls. I miss standing in line with my neighbors, signing in and going into the booth to vote. The process felt like a solemn ritual, not to be taken lightly, whereas voting by mail feels mundane -- likely to put off and dismiss.
Posted by Nolo | September 16, 2010 10:15 AM
Funny the only voting fraud I am personally aware of was during Shrub Jr's first election. A family who owned property in both NY and FL voted for Shrub in both states.... and the FL vote (oh wait remember that fiasco) was the fraudulent one. Both parties are scary with fraud.
If you want scary fictional but entirely possible scenario for massive voter fraud and election rigging, check this book out:
http://us.macmillan.com/foolproof
Electronic voting booths are ripe for fraud. And as a computer geek, I'll be the first to stand up and tell you the lo and many ways.
Posted by LucsAdvo | September 16, 2010 10:17 AM
Absolutely, Nolo. Going to the polls was good for our communities. Voting at the kitchen table is dumb. And it's just an invitation to fraud.
Posted by dg | September 16, 2010 10:17 AM
I've been _extremely_ skeptical about the integrity of vote-by-mail from the moment it was imposed on us. All one has to do is go down to the county elections office on SE Morrison on the day of a general election and watch the number of drivers pulling up and turning in fistfuls of ballots out their car windows to county workers on the sidewalk. What's up with that?
Posted by G Joubert | September 16, 2010 10:27 AM
G Joubert - My ballot was often turned in at SE Morrison by my ex-partner. So seeing someone with more than one ballot could be friends/roommates/spouses whatever. That doesn't concern me that much. Bullies telling family members how to vote scares me more.
Posted by LucsAdvo | September 16, 2010 10:29 AM
They don't even have to be bullies. I'm sure there are households where only one person is seriously interested in the election, and everyone else is happy to hand him/her their (signed, blank) ballots to fill out. I could see that happening in my college communal house if VBM had existed back then.
As for "ballot parties" and living-room conversations (I believe that's Kate Brown's argument), you don't need actual ballots for this. The printed voter's guide is the essential tool here.
Posted by Semi-Cynic | September 16, 2010 11:32 AM
LucsAdvo-
Two ballots is understandable. Maybe even three or four. That's not what I'm talking about. I see stacks of ballots being turned in. Go watch for yourself. And that's only one little thing about vote-by-mail that makes me seriously wonder about it.
Posted by G Joubert | September 16, 2010 12:21 PM
Kate Brown is now working on legislation that will allow voting by email where you mark, "Yes" if you are a US citizen and "Yes" if you are 18 years or older. Then for those you haven't a computer, she has Voter Ballots printed on Coca Puff and Cheerio boxes.
Posted by lw | September 16, 2010 1:07 PM
Excuse me, "you" should be "who".
Posted by lw | September 16, 2010 1:09 PM
"Funny the only voting fraud I am personally aware of was during Shrub Jr's first election."
If this is a true statement, you are horribly, horribly uninformed.
Posted by John Fairplay | September 16, 2010 2:46 PM
Who cares? I mean, any way you cut it, we end up with elected "officals" such as Portland's mayor and Wes Cooley.
Posted by cros | September 16, 2010 4:59 PM
The Democrats are still fuming about Dubya winning Florida because stealing Presidetial elections was their strong suit. Ask all those stiff JFK supporters in Chicago: most of them are still voting.
Posted by Mister Te | September 16, 2010 9:02 PM
America's Decoupling from Reality, by Robert Parry, Sept. 17
CASTLE DEFEATS O'DONNELL IN DELAWARE! - (According to the ballots that can be verified anyway), By Brad Friedman, 9/15/2010
What would we guess?, there must be 20 or 50 thousand fraud-filled ballots (out of over 1 million normally statewide) here, with one half of the fraud cancelling out the other half of the fraud? ... or is one (rightwing fairplay-challenged) type of voter more bent on trying fraud and deceits to 'win at any cost' than the other type of voter?
Oregon's 100% all absentee ballots, all the time -- readable, retrievable, recountable -- seems like totally the worst methodical process for determining election tallies and winners, EXCEPT FOR all the other ways of doing it in all the other States.
Posted by Tenskwatawa | September 17, 2010 5:17 PM
J. Fairplay - you clearly misunderstood what I said. Let me be very clear for you when I said personally aware of the fraud, I meant that in a first hand, legally able to testify in a court of law way. Not in an awareness way which is BTW considered hearsay. I am aware of a lot but personally aware meanst first hand not second or third.
Posted by LucsAdvo | September 19, 2010 1:35 PM
I love these Liberal blogs. It is always someone elses fault!
Posted by R A Verhoeckx | October 7, 2010 6:27 PM