Four more years
A few of the usual tighty righties in town were on the intertubes yesterday as Obamania swept Portland. "There's no substance; Rev. Wright," blah blah blah.
Their new mantra is "McCain isn't Bush." Now, there's a line that's going nowhere. The pain that's being felt by the majority of Americans right now is going to be laid squarely on McCain, whether he likes it or not. You can argue about whether he deserves it -- I happen to think he does -- but there's no doubt that he'll be playing defense all the way to the general election. Here's an interesting perspective from our neighbors in Hood River:
As if to prove the point, Mr. Rivers, himself a Republican, noted that his wife just changed her party affiliation to Democratic so she could vote for Mr. Obama and that he, while remaining a Republican, planned to vote for Mr. Obama if he was the general election nominee.The rest of that story is here.''I'll never vote for McCain, never,'' Mr. Rivers said. ''To me, it's four more years of Bushism.''
Comments (38)
I switched from Republican to Democrat two months ago, so I could vote for Obama in the Primary.
The Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. They are quite simply an incompetent party.
Posted by Justin | May 19, 2008 8:26 AM
Of course Obama will win big in Oregon in November, but he will never win enough of the rest of the country. A lot of people are sick of Bush, but that doesn't mean they are going to vote for someone as far to the left as Obama. Sorry to bust your Obama-bubble, but it's true.
Posted by Fleishen | May 19, 2008 10:07 AM
Fleishen, I think you are misreading the reality of public sentiment. I'm pretty confident Obama will win the general - we'll see who's right next November. :-)
Posted by Lev | May 19, 2008 10:16 AM
Lev,
Are you so confident he will win the general election because of how well he has performed in the swing state primaries?
While HRC was drawing crowds of a couple hundred in PA, Obama drew a crowd of 35,000.....and he proceeded to lose that primary by 200,000 votes.
Posted by butch | May 19, 2008 10:43 AM
Butch,
Here's some advice from the heart: if you want the GOP to win in November, don't let any of your Republican darlings like Dick Cheney or Karl Rove near a microphone. They tried to help in the recent special elections - including at least one in a Republican stronghold - and so far they're batting zero.
Your best chance of winning in November is to convince everyone that the Bush administration never happened. Good luck with that.
Posted by Bill McDonald | May 19, 2008 10:58 AM
Yeah....that latest special election loss is a harbinger of doom....because all Democrats are going to run on a platform of pro-life, pro-gun and lower taxes.
Posted by butch | May 19, 2008 11:02 AM
Put your hands out to your sides, Butch. That's the walls of your delusional world closing in. The Neo-Con dream is just about over.
I miss the old Butch who used to talk about how great the Bush economy has been for Americans. You don't go there much anymore.
What's the GOP going to run on, Butch?
Posted by Bill McDonald | May 19, 2008 11:13 AM
Obama is going to win the general election only because the far right will not vote for McCain. What I'm not sure about is whether they will vote for someone else or just not bother to show up at the polls.
Posted by Darrin | May 19, 2008 11:28 AM
The GOP is going to run on "2013"
ie it's very difficult to say "you are wrong " about something that might or might not be in the future
Posted by haha | May 19, 2008 11:30 AM
I just want to keep my taxes from going up too sharply. I don't want anymore government services, especially the kind of bloated programs of the past being offered by Obama. His wife will probably be rallying for reparations if and when he gets elected. I still think having a "none-of-above" ballot offering would be an enhancement to our democratic processes.
Posted by Bob Clark | May 19, 2008 11:32 AM
Can we just have the elction tomorrow please. Already the Republican smear machine is firing up and I don't know if I can stand six months of that kind of mud throwing.
Did you hear the one about how Obama met a guy in Chicago once who used to be a 60's radical? Yah he supposedly was involved in a bank robbery when Obama was about 8. And Obama actually talked to him. Why we can't have that kind of man as President can we? Someone who actually met a criminal? (Story courtesy of one of our very conservative local Deputy District Attorneys).
Greg C
Posted by Greg C | May 19, 2008 12:13 PM
If we condemned all the people who had contact with Goldschmidth in this state, we would have very few people in public office and most of our commissions, boards, etc. I guess it is ok to forget about a rape of a child.
Posted by lw | May 19, 2008 12:50 PM
Did you hear the one about how Obama met a guy in Chicago once who used to be a 60's radical? Yah he supposedly was involved in a bank robbery when Obama was about 8. And Obama actually talked to him. Why we can't have that kind of man as President can we?
Why to hear you tell it, it sounds so ridiculous.
Is a smear machine the same as a fact-twisting dissembler?
Posted by cc | May 19, 2008 1:11 PM
"The Neo-Con dream is just about over."
I sure hope so, and I'm a conservative. It's going to take heavy losses this year to return control of the Republican party back to the people of paleo-conservative belief. It's pretty much do or die. I know nearly all liberals believe all Republicans are the same, but that couldn't be further from the truth. We're about as sick of Bush as you.
Posted by Joey Link | May 19, 2008 1:37 PM
Of course one of them wants us to turn down our thermostats in winter and up in summer to cut CO2. (The freeze and swelter plan)
The other wants us to have lots of power without CO2 using the ONLY viable, non-CO2 emitting power source.
I look at this as the first major battle in the war for maintaining our advanced lifestyle, vs reverting to a 1920s (Sam’s plan) life of poverty, or even the1820s.
Make no mistake, ending modern civilization (to save the earth) is the goal of a vocal minority in our city and state.
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | May 19, 2008 1:47 PM
This election is absolutely a non-starter. It's over before it's started -- it belongs to the Democrats and Obama.
The Republicans are indeed looking to 2012. And that's OK.
My grandfather used to tell me that it's important to give the Democrats an election once in a while. The reason for this is so they can mess things up so bad, that the electorate will come to its senses again and vote Republican for the next 2-3 election cycles. And after the past 7+ years, that's not a bad thing.
Of course, everything will be Bush's fault. Just like up to "W's" election, it was all Reagan's fault.....I can just hear the whining now, that's going to be happening in about 18 months, when the economy's in the tank, taxes are raised, unemployment's doubled, and we're mired in Iraq just as deeply if not more than we are today.
There may still be hope that the electorate will come to its senses NOW and avoid voting in the MOST liberal individual in the entire Senate, and rather vote in a Republican who has a long record of productive legislative accomplishments, demonstrated dedication to his country through deed not word, and someone who has taken principled stands against his party's mainstream positions.
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 2:32 PM
Make no mistake, ending modern civilization (to save the earth) is the goal of a vocal minority in our city and state.
LOL. Yeah, until it's time for this "vocal minority" to get off their duff, shut their mouths and actually lead the charge by making changes to their own lifestyles.
They shut up real fast when you ask them what SUBSTANTIVE changes they've made. The biggest "climate crusaders" and "climate alarmists" tend to be the most egregious offenders and CO2 emitters.
Cases in point: the jet-setting, multi-energy-gorging-home-owning .... Al Gore, or Prince Charles. Together they generate more pollution and CO2 between the two of them, than most small cities.
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 2:35 PM
Of course, everything will be Bush's fault.
You guys are so lame. Of course it is. You brought us the worst President ever. Now be a man and take the blame.
Posted by Jack Bog | May 19, 2008 3:22 PM
I'd be happy to vote for Obama.
I just need proof of what he's done, so as to better inform me why he's qualified to hold the office.
And no lame "he's not Bush" or "he's not a Republican" excuses. And nothing based on what Obama says he's going to do -- we know all politicians lie.
I just want to know what specific, demonstrated accomplishments, or things based on his legislative and/or political record, qualify him for my vote.
Can *ANYONE* answer this?
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 3:33 PM
Make no mistake, ending modern civilization (to save the earth) is the goal of a vocal minority in our city and state.
the beauty of it all, Gerry, is that modern civilization is already eating itself. no "vocal minority" required.
I just want to know what specific, demonstrated accomplishments, or things based on his legislative and/or political record, qualify him for my vote.
i know. i can't believe Bush got elected either.
Posted by ecohuman.com | May 19, 2008 3:49 PM
Americans often elect presidents because they like their character and their platform, not because of past accomplishments. JFK had accomplished very little when he was elected president. Nixon had accomplished nothing -- Eisenhower could not think of a single contribution he had made as his vice president. The pre-presidential accomplishments of George W. Bush? Gee, where do we start? And neither Carter nor Clinton was elected because voters were overwhelmed by their accomplishments as governor of their states.
On the other hand, some of the presidents who had in fact accomplished a great deal before taking office -- like Hoover -- were disasters in the White House. Or at best mediocre -- like LBJ. A great resume does not necessarily make a great president.
I support Obama because of the kind of man he is, and because I agree with most of his policy statements.
Posted by Charlie | May 19, 2008 3:56 PM
Joey Link, not only do I agree with you, but I'm hoping that the conservatives you espouse do well. No, I'm not being a smartass about this: I'm dead serious. I've always counted on real conservatives, ones who can argue their positions and argue them well, to keep us liberals honest, and if we can't argue our positions as well in return, we don't deserve the mandate. I know a lot of people just like you, and you're right about their being as sick of Bush as I am. Contrary to popular opinion, Texas is full of 'em these days, and you know that the neocons have it bad when the word "carpetbagger" gets used to describe Bush in casual conversation.
Besides, Joey, here's one you'll like. The George W. Bush Presidential Library is going in at Southern Methodist University in Dallas whether anyone likes it or not, and more than a few residents in the immediate area are pissed about it. Not only is the Library following in a grand Bush tradition of confiscating the property of private individuals and offering them a token sum after they've been evicted (which happened when the Texas Rangers decided that they needed a new stadium back in 1993), but a few locals brought up concerns that the Library might set off protests, vandalism, and possible chemical, biological, and nuclear attacks upon the SMU campus. The nearly universal response from the rest of Dallas: "So where's the problem?"
Posted by Sid | May 19, 2008 4:12 PM
Nobody seems to be able to answer a simple, fundamental question with anything concrete.
I am sorry, but comparisons to previous presidents don't count. I am talking about THIS potential President. Bush is not up for (re) election.
I'd rather (like any good employer would) have a solid resume than a blank one to help make an employment decision.
I'm still waiting for an answer. Anyone?
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 4:52 PM
Obama's made policy statements? Is "hope" a "policy"?
Posted by butch | May 19, 2008 4:54 PM
President Obama. Drives you crazy, doesn't it? Tax increases on rich people, end the war, three new liberal Supreme Court justices... you have only yourselves and the Chimp to blame.
Posted by Jack Bog | May 19, 2008 5:24 PM
I'm curious: Did you apply the same rigorous standard to the presidential resumes submitted by the candidates in 2000?
That was the year, you may recall, when one candidate was putting forth detailed proposals about issues such as Social Security while the other candidate said he couldn't be troubled with all that "fuzzy math."
Posted by Roger | May 19, 2008 5:25 PM
Will somebody please post a link to Obama's resume for poor Gerry?
Posted by Sam | May 19, 2008 6:05 PM
Charlie wrote, "Nixon had accomplished nothing (prior to running for President).
Richard Milhouse Nixon (born in 1913).
Nixon graduated from Whittier (Calif.) College in 1934 (at age 21, from a poor family during the depression).
Nixon graduated from Duke University Law School, in 1937 (age 24); he was admitted to the bar the same year.
Private practice lawyer: 1937 to 1941.
During the early part of 1942 he worked in D.C for the Office of Emergency Management.
Nixon joined the United States Navy in 1942 (age 29-32) and served as a lieutenant commander in the Pacific during World War II.
Elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1946: age 34.
Nixon first gained national attention in 1948 when his dogged investigation on the House Un-American Activities Committee ("HUAC") broke the impasse of the Alger Hiss spy case.
He was elected Vice President in 1952: age 39.
Nixon was the first Vice President to step in temporarily to run the government. He did so three times when Eisenhower was ill: on the occasions of Eisenhower's heart attack on September 24, 1955; his ileitis in June 1956; and his stroke on November 25, 1957.
At the opening of the American National Exhibition in Moscow on July 24, 1959, he and Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev had an impromptu "kitchen debate" about the merits of capitalism versus communism.
In 1960, Nixon ran for President against John F. Kennedy and narrowly lost.
Nixon wrote Six Crises in 1962, a book dealing with his political involvement as a congressman, senator and as Vice-President. The work won praise from many policy experts and critics.
In 1962, Nixon ran for Governor of California and handily won the Republican nomination over the more conservative choice. He lost to Pat Brown in the general election: Nixon's loss was widely believed to be the end of his career.
Years of campaigning and losing had worn Nixon down. In an impromptu concession speech the morning after the election, Nixon famously blamed the media for favoring his opponent.
As the 1960s were beginning, and before the decade closed, a "New Nixon" emerged, one who was "tanned, rested and ready."
Nixon moved to New York City, where he became a senior partner in the leading law firm Nixon, Mudge, Rose, Guthrie & Alexander. During the 1966 Congressional elections, he stumped the country in support of Republican candidates, rebuilding his base in the party.
Nixon went on to write 8 books after leaving the White House.
Posted by Mister Tee | May 19, 2008 7:05 PM
Jack, like I said, I'd LOVE to vote for a President Obama. I'll just ask the question here for the THIRD time now.
Please provide a list of the legislative and government accomplishments that Obama has achieved in state and Senate service. I don't want a resume and I don't want Bush/Nixon/etc. comparisons.
Please, just the facts. Pretty please? I want to be bowled over with great facts so I can vote for Obama.
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 7:25 PM
Obama's resume':
http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/hope.jpg
Posted by butch | May 19, 2008 7:25 PM
You guys realize what pathetic losers you look like, right?
Posted by Jack Bog | May 19, 2008 8:01 PM
No, Jack, that's just it. Just it exactly. The 'guys' do NOT realize what pathetic losers they look like. Because they are.
In these cases, the cover IS the book, and the book is nothing but the cover. Go ahead and judge by it: Pathetic losers.
Posted by Tenskwatawa | May 19, 2008 8:21 PM
The die is very likely already cast.
We'll ask the same question for the FOURTH time.
Anybody care to reply with a rational answer to what should be a very simple question?
Just 5-10 bullet points would suffice.
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 8:39 PM
Well, here's an MSNBC clip detailing some of Obama's accomplishments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 8:45 PM
Wow. Only four lines by Tensk. And lucid ones to boot. Im stunned.
Posted by Jon | May 19, 2008 8:49 PM
Perhaps Tenty has the same disease as the poor Texas state senator on the YouTube/MSNBC clip, when it comes to the issue of Obama governmental service accomplishments.
Posted by Gerry Van Zandt | May 19, 2008 9:09 PM
Jon,
"lucid ones" by Tensk? What were you reading? :-)
Posted by butch | May 19, 2008 9:30 PM
You guys realize what pathetic losers you look like, right?
The President doesn't, why should these guys?
Posted by jimbo | May 20, 2008 10:03 AM