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We have weird blog-related dreams sometimes. The other night we dreamt that we were hanging out with Portland commissioner Randy Leonard, and there was an uneasy truce between us. It was a short dream.

Last night we must have had another one, because we could have sworn we heard that some outfit that's trying to fluoridate Portland's drinking water has hired Mark Wiener -- the political consultant who gets Portland politicians elected and ballot measures passed (most of the time) -- to make its sales pitch to City Hall. Since Leonard and "Legend" Dan Saltzman have used Wiener in the past in their own campaigns, and with the city's unique mayor doing whatever Leonard tells him to do, the fluoride folks must have thought that Wiener could deliver them the requisite three votes on the City Council.

Now, that is one weird dream -- isn't it?

Comments (17)

From their website is a whole bunch of BS about the benefits of using a poisonous agricultural waste product, of which Canada and Europe have long since banned:

"Issues We're Exploring
Oral Health
What the problem is: Today, 35 percent of this state’s first and third graders suffer from untreated decay and lose millions of school hours each year. And because untreated decay can lead to abscess, bone destruction, and an infection in the bloodstream, these children’s ability to eat, speak, learn, and play is at risk. Also important is the fact that children who have poor oral health are being set up for a lifetime of dental problems if the underlying problems are not addressed.

The Upstream solution: Community water fluoridation, in which fluoride levels are optimally adjusted in public drinking water supplies, gives the recommended dose of cavity-fighting fluoride to anyone who drinks from that system.

Fluoridation is a proven low-cost and highly effective way to prevent tooth decay but Oregon lags behind all but three other states in its use. Portland also has the unfortunate distinction as the second largest metro area without community water fluoridation. As a result, 73 percent of Oregonians do not have access to fluoridated water—and Oregonian children are paying a heavy price. "

I'd be willing for us taxpayers to chip in some bucks to send both Mayor Adams and Leonard off on vacations for the next 15 to 16 months. They should go off and have some fun; and leave the rest of us alone.

There's been enough new government ordinances coming out of city Hall this last three months even as the dubiousness of the city's current governance becomes much more evident. (1) Parking Manager FBI raid for suspicious activity dating back to Adams' time as Portland Transportation Department manager. (2) The PDC writing off 6% of its loan portfolio because of bad bets, including one to Multnomah County Commissioner Shiprack. (3) City Auditor's July report signaling city hall is spending and borrowing at to fast a pace, neglecting the maintenance of existing assets in the process.

I wish there was some easy available lever for citizens to pull to freeze city hall in place after a spate of rash changes. No such luck in stump town.

We may very well have fluoridated water soon, plus who knows what other additives deemed in our best interest by multinationals and local planners, which won't go over well with the greenies, but maybe that won't really matter once PWB finishes turning Bull Run water into a value-added commodity. People who really care about the water they drink would only shun it.

People who really care about the water they drink would only shun it.

That would only be good business for those who sell bottled water, such as Nestle would like to do. Corporations come in, make regulations to get our officials to ruin our good drinking water, so that then corporations have a ready made market to sell us water. It is all about the money, not about the health of our community. Isn't selling fluoride another money making venture?

We pay more and more, a win win for corporations. A total loss for us, our good drinking water from the tap and eventual loss of water rights if this PWB doesn't stop with the spending and debt and if not one council member will do what NY did, to ask their Senator to ask EPA for a Waiver from the LT2. Apparently, Senator Merkley is still waiting for the ask!! How about it Amanda? The others seem like a lost cause in this matter.

Randy Leonard has done enough damage. Leave our good water alone Randy, you will go down in history as the worst water commissioner if you do not stand up for our Bull Run Water System. There is no excuse anymore since EPA is backing down on that LT2 rule and now has stated that science will prevail. So PWB's political game on this should end.

A few months ago it was reported that you hired someone to write the PWB history here, no doubt to make yourself look good, a little "rewrite" of history here, won't work, you still will go down as a local boy who betrayed his own community.

KaChing.... the price of PWB water will be going up again and again.... and the quality of the product will go down and down again.

Whenever I go see my dentist he always comments on how much better looking and stronger my teeth are than the average native Oregonian patient, due to my childhood spent in a location with fluoridated water. Never had a cavity in my entire life either.

Mark Weiner is literally everywhere. He's also signed on for Mary Nolan and , and in the past worked for Saltzman, Fish and Adams.

Assuming a new mayor, Weiner will have consulted for / managed campaigns of 4 of 5 folks on the city council.

(Nolan is going to cream Fritz.)

Can you say "clout"?

...poisonous agricultural waste product, of which Canada and Europe have long since banned:....

What kind of fluoride did you you get, a natural type of fluoride
or the above kind that Ralph Woods posted about?

In my opinion, those that PR and market a waste product that Canada and Europe have banned should be ashamed of themselves. Have they no ethics? Apparently, it is only about the money and to say that they have been successful in selling still another product or candidate regardless of the results!!

Besides, this is not just about the teeth.
There is a whole body to consider here.

Same here Tomas.

If the salmon had a voice, it would be no, hell no, stop poisoning us.

For the sake of the children, here is a good interview with Lake Oswego dentist, Bill Osmunson.

Having raised 2 children in Portland from birth, they are 30 and 24 and neither has a cavity to this date. Stop looking for reasons to chemical destroy our water and charge us for that "priviledge"!

I think that a child's dental health, like pretty much everything else, depends mostly on parental care. If there's a parent there making sure the kid brushes and gets a fluoride pill during formative years, then there won't be a problem and the government doesn't need to get involved.

That said, our dentist supports fluoridating the water.

I think the city's in for a surprise. The state legislature considered a bill to add fluoride to the water several years back. The volume of calls, emails, letters, and walk-in visits from constituents was staggering.

The fluoride bill was introduced around the same time as a civil unions bill and the amount of correspondence about civil unions was absolutely dwarfed by that of people concerned about fluoridation. Randy and the PWB might have finally gone too far.

Now, that is one weird dream -- isn't it?

These days reality is scarier than any dream. What we have here is a continuing nightmare!

Isn't it bad enough that most everything we use here is made in China, and now we import and drink their fluoride too!!

Sheila, thank you for the above link/ information, found this especially alarming:

China does not allow fluoride to be put in the water at all. They know it is too toxic and it causes damage. Therefore, what China does is they take their waste products of phosphate fertilizer, which is fluoride, and ship it to us here in America. China is where most of the fluoride comes from. We actually drink what the Chinese will not allow in their water. Does that make any sense to you because it sure does not to us!

We use all the fluoride we make here in the United States but it has been viewed to not be enough. Therefore, we actually have it imported from China. To clarify, we import industrial waste from China so we can put in our water. How do you feel now? And of course the waste is contaminated with lead, arsenic, radium, aluminum and a host of other contaminants. It is not a cleaned up pharmaceutical grade that is put in our water but rather a lesser grade.

I hope those who plan to sell this idea of fluoride to our community will read this, and if they can still sleep at night, so be it, the rest of us will have to double up our efforts to bring out facts.

If Leonard goes along with this, then the Admiral has really taken the ship off course and he needs to resign.

By the way, Pragmatic Portlander, I suspect most of the people do not know about the toxic chemicals that will be added to our good Bull Run water, if we do not stop the PWB from their plans!!

This is why I began this post with saying we have a nightmare to deal with here. Just wish we could wake up and know that someone will finally put a stop to this entire water episode, costing enormous amounts of money, jeopardizing our water and possibly water rights. We need someone in council who will be a good steward of our wonderful resource and to ask Senator Merkley to join NY Senator Shumer as our community needs a Waiver from the EPA LT2 rule as well.
(See the op-ed by Scott Fernandez, M. Sc. in the September 2011 SE Examiner) “Open Reservoir Plan – New York City gets it, and gets it right.”

So, in order to avoid dental caries, we need to wash our cars (or bicycles), mop our floors, shower, water the lawn/garden,and put water down for the cat with pre-fluoridated water? I'm not getting it.

No comment - I just wanted to than Jack for the Levi Stubbs reference...

Floridate the water? Why on earth would anyone do that? We have wonderful water! I have been to Florida and the water there is TERRIBLE!


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