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Be careful on the roads

If you cut this guy off in traffic, there's no telling what he might do. He's had a really bad day.

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1. Appeal
2. Reinstatement to patrolman level
3. Disability retirement.

1. Appeal
2. Settlement with back pay, pension etc, etc for his retirement.

Taking wagers now.

Looks like he abused donuts as much as he abused the citizenry.

Wow. Less than two years to wrap up the investigation. My head is spinning. I also think PTD is where this ends up.

So we shouldn't hum Trey Parker's song "Sorry About Your Penis" in range of his hearing?

I'm surprised they would make an example of the former President of the police officers union. This is a union town, right?

And his "firing offense" was pretty low level road rage. Especially when you consider the guy who was shotgunned instead of beanbagged, or the multiple PPB officers with DUIs, or those who have a reputation for breaking other people's bones while they're in custody.

Whatever, the dude just lost his job because he doesn't know how to manage his anger. Maybe an anger management course would have resulted in a safer society.

Mister Tee - Are you familiar with the concept of stalking? Westerdouche's second encounter likely was the result of stalking. This guy has more than anger management issues. He's plum psycho.

If I recall correctly, the couple were driving one of those goofy looking Smart cars. It would be so easy to follow one anywhere.

I bet that there is an appeal, hard fought but narrowly won by the Sgt. and that he gets back pay then retires with extra benefits because of stress disability. Any takers?

I think you're cyberstalking me, LucsAdvo.

New thread/new people to villify.

You never met a cop that you could not find an excuse for, did you Mr. Tee? I am curious - are you a LEO?

concordbridge -

No so much an issue of following a "goofy looking Smart car", but more likely Scottie noted the plate on the first incident, and when he got back to work after the first incident, found out from a fellow blue thug that the woman made a complaint and sought to run his plates. In my opinion, in vintage Westerman fashion, he then ran her plates, found she was in the area of his house -- and went looking for the lady at her residence.

I've been acquainted with Westerman for years, and in my opinion that would be a pretty typical Westerman move.

And again in my opinion, that is why Westerman was canned - the misuse of the DMV and LEDS systems to id his victim, and enable his stalking.


Please define "acquainted with". Any possibility that means "got arrested by"? Given your assertions about Westerman, the distinction is of some import.

As for the DMV/LEDS/NCIC, any misuse of those constitutes misdemeanor Official Misconduct. If things are as you contend, they could have easily indicted him for such. Given the amount of bad press the Bureau has had in this, don't you think they would do it if they had a case?

I am not a supporter of Westerman, nor have I ever met him. It is quite possible that this is a warranted termination.

Using terms such as "blue thug" detracts from your position. What would you think if you heard an Internal Affairs Investigator refer to civilian complainant as a "Whining, punk-assed, silly-vilian"? What would you think of the investigator's impartiality?

Just sayin...

HMLA-27 -


So cute.

Arrested by?

Not by a long shot.

Forced to use him as a witness in cases I was prosecuting?

More like it.

Another PPD blue asshole almost banned from testifying in cases brought by a DA's or AG's office.

Scottie is "special".

And totally untrustworthy, IMHO.

Aren't you glad you asked?

I know the difference between a "blue thug" and a police officer.

I wonder if you do?

I'm not a LEO, LucsAdvo. My dad was a cop for 30 years in SoCal. I know several cops who were killed on duty, including one who shares my birthday.

I think most cops do the right thing 99% of the time, or better. I don't blame all of them for the misdeeds of the 1%. I don't believe even half of the lawyers I've met do the right thing more than 50% of the time. Many of them do it a lot less. I will always take a cop's word over a drug dealer's, a wife beater's, or a thief's. And I'd be right 99% of the time.

Mister Tee - If I had a dollar for every cop I know who is a wife beater, illegal (including Roids) drug user, or dishonest (freebies on duty, shaking down traffic stops, etc.), I could have a real nice dinner. Your 1% number of bad apples is well a fairy tale. And your 99% mostly enable the 1% with their thin blue line b.s. so that makes them culpable.

In my past, I worked with cops so it's not all from a distance that I speak.

And our friend Nonny, the ADA here, is saying he is aware of more than one local yokel cop who is "another PPD blue asshole almost banned from testifying in cases brought by a DA's or AG's office". When the MultCo DA's office (who don't prosecute criminal cops and who have tried to entrap a lawyer friend of mine) won't use a cop as a witness that says a lot now doesn't it.

There are a lot of bully asshats with badges out there, Tee. This ain't your father's police force - well unless he worked in Chicago or something.

Spoken like a true Criminal Defense attorney: most cops are liars, thieves, and wife beaters.

Sure they are. Just like the defense attorney are defending people who are innocent 99% of the time.


You infer, but do not state, that you are (or were) a Deputy District Attorney for Multnomah County. If so, you just confirmed alot of my suspicions about the DA's office, and attorneys, in general.

Do you realize you just admitted to using unrealiable witnesses in criminal proceedings? How do you square that with the rules of the Oregon State Bar? Did Mike Schrunk hold a gun to your head to force you to use him? No, but you went ahead away.

The honorable thing to do in such circumstance would be to resign. But no, you thought your career was more important that justice.

Then you sit here and bitch and snivel about the officer involved. By you own admission, you are just as corrupt as you allege the officer to be.

Here, there is much gnashing of teeth, beating of breast, and wailing, on police misconduct. It doesn't hold a candle to the "wall of silence" of the Oregon State

God, I am so glad to be retired....

HMLA - 267 -

Lets see, you're going to give ethics advice, when your first reaction to my critizising Westerman is to accuse me of having been arrested by him and therefore having a grudge against Westerman....

...hmmm, looks like another blue thug to me, making totally unfounded accusations of illegal conduct by a person who critizises a cop.

Look in the mirror, self appointed ethics maven.

And stop opining about things you clearly have no knowledge of.

You just keep making yourself look more incapable of actual rational discussion with each post....

LucsAdvo. I love this blog for the postings and the comments on all sides of the blog. Mister T once called me a "Pr**k" and I refered to him sometime later as a plate of green cocktail weenies at the banquet of conversation that is served daily here. Over the years though I've noticed his opinions haven't changed but his delivery has mellowed and I hope the same can be said for you someday.

You're sounding a tad bit paranoid counselor, I didn't accuse you of anything. I merely made reasonable enquiry as to the source of your alleged inside information on Westerman.

And, I illustrated your utter hypocrisy in claiming Westerman was unrealiable, while using him to criminally prosecute citizens of this state. You stood in front of a jury and presented a witness as credible - all the while knowing that he wasn't. That is corruption defined.

Nothing like an alleged Officer of the Court (knowingly and intentionally)misrepresenting the basic material facts of a case. You know, like the veracity of a witness... Or, maybe you missed the day they covered the subject at Willamette.

As for calling me a thug:

I spent over 20,000 shifts risking my life, making life and death decsions in seconds that candyasses like you would take weeks to dissect. I dealt with more death, human misery, and tragedy for 3 lifetimes. And, I've killed.

I would recommend you laying down your bar card and picking up a badge, if you want to make a difference - but I won't. You obviously do not have the ethical fiber for the responsibilty, courage, and honor that it takes to be a police officer.

(Col. Nathan Jessup impression ends.)

Mister Tee - Now you are beyond silly - so for the record, I have never been admitted to the bar in any state nor do I possess a law degree (one year of law school kind - imposed on me by my old man was enough to convince me to find a job that did not give me ethics nightmares) so no I am not a criminal defense attorney but I am more than insulted by the thought of it. I have stated a few times that I work in technology and just for the record I am in my 4th decade of that kind of work.

Tom, I have been fairly restrained on this site. But you as a West Coast Anglo have no idea what an East Coast Italian-American might be capable of. And Tee's suggestion that I am a defense attorney is one of the bigger insults I can imagine.

HMLA-267 - I'd say you have something of a complex. First of all, carrying a badge does not automagically infer ethics, moral fiber, courage, responsibility, apple pie and the rest of your malarkey. If you were half the moral man you allege yourself to be then you'd quit with the thin blue line crappola and take a stance against cops who are rogues and cowboys (that's the insult East Coast LEOs use against cops who are over the line) but no, you could never actually take a hard cold look at reality and admit there are a$$wipe$ with badges who have issues that make them unsuitable for police work. Right now you are less than credible to speak in defense of any cop when you defend slime like Westerman.

In a nutshell "You can't handle the truth".

Most cops are law abiding, honest, and reliable. They are obligated to walk towards danger when all the rest of us are trying to get away. Many have saved lives, assuming significant personal risk, even when off duty.

I know three families that lost a husband and father to gun wielding bad guys. A total of 5 kids who grew up without a father, in addition to several more grandkids who will never meet their grandpa.

Think about that the next time you hug your kids or grandkids, or you see a cop looking pissed off, or (heaven forbid) you witness an act of violence and have to dial 911.

Gee Mister Tee - The only time I ever dialed 911 in PDX town, it took 2.5 hours for the good ole boys to show up. That led to me arming myself (something I did not want to do in an urban area).

It seems that my address back then was too nice (Deforested Heights) to require a timely response in their minds. That changed when the finally got their butts across the West Hills.

And back in the 80s, a friend and I were parking our car downtown and witnessed an elderly woman getting mugged by a street punk. I jumped out of the car and went into the fray. My friend called the cops. Meanwhile some police neighborhood citizen liaison type started interfering with me so I could not detain the little punk. By the time any cops showed up the punk was gone but the old lady was out of harms way.

And in the late 90s I had issues with a neighbor who trespassed and did acts of vandalism. The cops were not helpful (I think they don't like gay folks). But one of the did suggest that I retaliate by breaking the law. Man, I am not that dumb. But your yokels seem to favor entrapment quite a bit.

Skip your lectures to strangers who you don't have a clue about. Some of us have the balls to do the right thing.

My impression is that the cops in this city do whatever it is they feel like and nothing more or nothing less. And certainly I would never expect much out of them which is why I am armed.

Cat got your tounge Nonny?

Please explain the fact you knowingly used unreliable witnesses to prosecute citizens of this state.

Don't worry, the OSB is sleeping (soundly)...


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