What's to be done? Congress won't allow these captives on US soil. Bush admin interrogations poisoned the well for any real court trials. Even those of the captives who were not dangerous probably have become so after nearly ten years in cages. If you've got a solution not involving outright murder, do by all means share it.
You realize, Jack, that you've exposed yourself to a tsunami of comments....reminding you that BHO was a fraud when he ran, and remains a fraud since he was elected.
Ironically, this is one issue on which I happen to agree with him.
To The Other Steve: Just to let you know, Palin has been running close to dead last in recent Republican Candidate Polls for President. And as I understand it, Fox News Channel is considering dumping her as well..
Spineless indeed. Running a $223 BILLION monthly deficit for February? Then proposing ony $6 Billion in budget cuts? This country is rapidly headed down the drain, with many more Wisconsinesque protests to come.
Agree with the sentiment that the alternative candidates then and now are much worse on this issue. I too want to see Guantanamo closed, but I'm also not seeing a good alternative proposed. I'm not sure if Congress can legally stop Obama from importing the detainees, but if he could do it unilaterally, would it be worth the political blowback from every Congressman and Senator grandstanding on the issue for years to come?
I don't know what I'll do in 2012 when the ballot is in one hand and the pen in the other, but I certainly know what I'll do when the checkbook is in one hand and the pen in the other. Those checks will be going to someone who'll fight to restore the rule of law and accountability for war crimes, etc. I thought that's what they were going to the last time. Can't even remember why I thought that, at this point.
"What's to be done? Congress won't allow these captives on US soil. Bush admin interrogations poisoned the well for any real court trials. Even those of the captives who were not dangerous probably have become so after nearly ten years in cages. If you've got a solution not involving outright murder, do by all means share it."
Exactly right. And I too would like to hear the law professor's solution if he has one.
One of Obama's first acts as President was to propose closing Guantanamo (not that Guantanamo the place is really the issue) and moving prisoners to US soil, and he found very little support for that idea among the people or the politicians.
Personally, I'd like to see real trials for all captives in the regular US justice system with either imprisonment or acquittal and release as the result. I'd like to see us accept that risk. But I wonder how many of you who criticize Obama--from the left or right--actually support that. That's what closing Guantanamo, if it were to have any real meaning, would entail.
It's extraordinary how folks who never blinked at a couple of wars, trillions in tax cuts and unfunded handouts to the drug industry are suddenly all fiscally prudent when the economy has gone in the toilet, pushing tax revenues and GDP even lower.
Some of us knew from the get-go that BO is, as the old saying goes, all hat and no cattle. I didn't vote for him; I know from Chicago.
Couldn't go with McCain either, so it was a dumpster vote. Just sit back and watch the follies unfold.
Allen: It's extraordinary how folks who never blinked at a couple of wars, trillions in tax cuts and unfunded handouts to the drug industry are suddenly all fiscally prudent when the economy has gone in the toilet, pushing tax revenues and GDP even lower.
And your point is?
BO made a lot of grand promises, but in practice, he just took in his 60th golf game - more than his predecessor played in eight years. Meanwhile, we still have a couple of wars, Gitmo's still running, and he's approved the tax policies of his predecessor.
I didn't vote for him, but I was hoping beyond hope that I was wrong. I grew up in the Chicago area, and I never EVER trust a Chicago politician.
I bet I'm not the only person who got nostalgic for Bill Clinton when the current President left him to handle a press conference so he could get to a Christmas party. Clinton has/had a lot of baggage, but he knew what he had to do. And I say that as a former Repub.
And sadly, I really see nobody out there who can actually get us out of this mess. And seriously, if the GOP puts up a Palin, it had better be Michael Palin, from Monty Python.
I don't know about you folks, but I certainly wasn't excited. Resigned was more like it.
The corporate feeding frenzy after he cinched the Democratic nomination was enough to make it clear to me that it was going to be a 'change' of nothing but the location of the deck chairs.
I have not seen this many Democrats back pedaling on their previous choice since all those other rubes (not you, the Obama voters, but the US Senators, D-xx) who voted for the war resolutions.
"We" voted for him equally for his hopeful rhetoric as "we" voted for him to close the curtain on the Bush era.
As part of the "we," I have not seen much hope nor change. "We" are still in Iraq indefinitely just like we still have military bases in Europe, South Korea and other places. "We" are prime targets in Afghanistan as "we" are interfering and thoughtlessly meddling in a civil war in Afghanistan. "We" have not rallied in mass protests for the closure of Guantanamo Bay nor the reversing of the Patriot Act.
Speaking of the Patriot Act, Obama gets a free pass for continuing it because "we" voted for him, while "they" voted for Bush.
By this logic, "we" deserve to sit around and watch as our political establishment raises the US military to a level where they are above reproach, any cut to the defense budget (the largest part of our discretionary budget) is criticized as "not supporting the troops," and our elected representatives of our Federal Democratic Republic praise the US military like fascists praised and used militaristic actions to further their own self interests because "we" have allowed it to come to this.
The day "we" wake up, look the US military in the eye, say to rank and file soldiers that you SERVE us, and start cutting defense spending is the day "we" will sober up and be a fiscally responsible nation.
Until then, "we" will continue to stay programmed into a bizarre world of politics where fascist tendencies of worshiping the military, government welfare for big business, and traditional, conservative societal mores support these fascist tendencies.
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Comments (21)
For the same reason we are going to vote for him in 2012, the alternative is horrendous.
Other reasons, none.
Posted by Sid F | March 7, 2011 1:27 PM
What do you mean "we"?
Posted by Jack Bog | March 7, 2011 1:27 PM
What's to be done? Congress won't allow these captives on US soil. Bush admin interrogations poisoned the well for any real court trials. Even those of the captives who were not dangerous probably have become so after nearly ten years in cages. If you've got a solution not involving outright murder, do by all means share it.
Posted by Allan L. | March 7, 2011 1:30 PM
You realize, Jack, that you've exposed yourself to a tsunami of comments....reminding you that BHO was a fraud when he ran, and remains a fraud since he was elected.
Ironically, this is one issue on which I happen to agree with him.
Posted by veiledorchid | March 7, 2011 1:30 PM
I agree with Sid. Vice President Sarah Palin? President Palin?
I'm as disappointed as anyone, but if she is on the ticket, I'll vote for him again.
Posted by the other Steve | March 7, 2011 2:01 PM
To The Other Steve: Just to let you know, Palin has been running close to dead last in recent Republican Candidate Polls for President. And as I understand it, Fox News Channel is considering dumping her as well..
Posted by Dave A. | March 7, 2011 2:26 PM
Spineless indeed. Running a $223 BILLION monthly deficit for February? Then proposing ony $6 Billion in budget cuts? This country is rapidly headed down the drain, with many more Wisconsinesque protests to come.
Posted by PD | March 7, 2011 2:46 PM
Agree with the sentiment that the alternative candidates then and now are much worse on this issue. I too want to see Guantanamo closed, but I'm also not seeing a good alternative proposed. I'm not sure if Congress can legally stop Obama from importing the detainees, but if he could do it unilaterally, would it be worth the political blowback from every Congressman and Senator grandstanding on the issue for years to come?
Posted by Mark | March 7, 2011 3:06 PM
I don't know what I'll do in 2012 when the ballot is in one hand and the pen in the other, but I certainly know what I'll do when the checkbook is in one hand and the pen in the other. Those checks will be going to someone who'll fight to restore the rule of law and accountability for war crimes, etc. I thought that's what they were going to the last time. Can't even remember why I thought that, at this point.
Posted by Dooey, Cheatham and Howe | March 7, 2011 3:26 PM
"What's to be done? Congress won't allow these captives on US soil. Bush admin interrogations poisoned the well for any real court trials. Even those of the captives who were not dangerous probably have become so after nearly ten years in cages. If you've got a solution not involving outright murder, do by all means share it."
Exactly right. And I too would like to hear the law professor's solution if he has one.
One of Obama's first acts as President was to propose closing Guantanamo (not that Guantanamo the place is really the issue) and moving prisoners to US soil, and he found very little support for that idea among the people or the politicians.
Personally, I'd like to see real trials for all captives in the regular US justice system with either imprisonment or acquittal and release as the result. I'd like to see us accept that risk. But I wonder how many of you who criticize Obama--from the left or right--actually support that. That's what closing Guantanamo, if it were to have any real meaning, would entail.
Posted by Richard | March 7, 2011 3:28 PM
It's extraordinary how folks who never blinked at a couple of wars, trillions in tax cuts and unfunded handouts to the drug industry are suddenly all fiscally prudent when the economy has gone in the toilet, pushing tax revenues and GDP even lower.
Posted by Allan L. | March 7, 2011 3:35 PM
Some of us knew from the get-go that BO is, as the old saying goes, all hat and no cattle. I didn't vote for him; I know from Chicago.
Couldn't go with McCain either, so it was a dumpster vote. Just sit back and watch the follies unfold.
Allen: It's extraordinary how folks who never blinked at a couple of wars, trillions in tax cuts and unfunded handouts to the drug industry are suddenly all fiscally prudent when the economy has gone in the toilet, pushing tax revenues and GDP even lower.
And your point is?
BO made a lot of grand promises, but in practice, he just took in his 60th golf game - more than his predecessor played in eight years. Meanwhile, we still have a couple of wars, Gitmo's still running, and he's approved the tax policies of his predecessor.
Hope'n'change™, baby!
Posted by Max | March 7, 2011 4:14 PM
I didn't vote for him, but I was hoping beyond hope that I was wrong. I grew up in the Chicago area, and I never EVER trust a Chicago politician.
I bet I'm not the only person who got nostalgic for Bill Clinton when the current President left him to handle a press conference so he could get to a Christmas party. Clinton has/had a lot of baggage, but he knew what he had to do. And I say that as a former Repub.
And sadly, I really see nobody out there who can actually get us out of this mess. And seriously, if the GOP puts up a Palin, it had better be Michael Palin, from Monty Python.
Posted by roy | March 7, 2011 5:21 PM
And your point is?
That people can be incredibly obtuse. Thanks for helping me to drive it home.
Posted by Allan L. | March 7, 2011 5:24 PM
Hey guys we can always vote for Trump! Right? No better no worse than a what is out there now.
Posted by Les Nesman | March 7, 2011 5:56 PM
I don't know about you folks, but I certainly wasn't excited. Resigned was more like it.
The corporate feeding frenzy after he cinched the Democratic nomination was enough to make it clear to me that it was going to be a 'change' of nothing but the location of the deck chairs.
Posted by godfry | March 7, 2011 6:18 PM
Clinton would restore this country to order in three years. And, Bill wouldn't do such a bad job either.
Posted by Brendan | March 7, 2011 6:55 PM
I have not seen this many Democrats back pedaling on their previous choice since all those other rubes (not you, the Obama voters, but the US Senators, D-xx) who voted for the war resolutions.
Quite funny, actually.
Posted by Harry | March 7, 2011 6:58 PM
"We" voted for him equally for his hopeful rhetoric as "we" voted for him to close the curtain on the Bush era.
As part of the "we," I have not seen much hope nor change. "We" are still in Iraq indefinitely just like we still have military bases in Europe, South Korea and other places. "We" are prime targets in Afghanistan as "we" are interfering and thoughtlessly meddling in a civil war in Afghanistan. "We" have not rallied in mass protests for the closure of Guantanamo Bay nor the reversing of the Patriot Act.
Speaking of the Patriot Act, Obama gets a free pass for continuing it because "we" voted for him, while "they" voted for Bush.
By this logic, "we" deserve to sit around and watch as our political establishment raises the US military to a level where they are above reproach, any cut to the defense budget (the largest part of our discretionary budget) is criticized as "not supporting the troops," and our elected representatives of our Federal Democratic Republic praise the US military like fascists praised and used militaristic actions to further their own self interests because "we" have allowed it to come to this.
The day "we" wake up, look the US military in the eye, say to rank and file soldiers that you SERVE us, and start cutting defense spending is the day "we" will sober up and be a fiscally responsible nation.
Until then, "we" will continue to stay programmed into a bizarre world of politics where fascist tendencies of worshiping the military, government welfare for big business, and traditional, conservative societal mores support these fascist tendencies.
I could be wrong, yet I know what I see.
Posted by Ryan Voluntad | March 7, 2011 9:11 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone
Have seen this fascism creep upon us.
Difficult to believe free speech zones in America, but it happened.
Posted by watching for our children | March 7, 2011 10:39 PM
Don't forget this blog was supporting John Edwards. For President.
Still inexplicable.
Posted by The Other Jimbo | March 8, 2011 8:27 AM