Thank God for Washington County and Tigard cops.

Wanna' bet if this happened in PDX that the PPB would have tazed and arrested the civilian and given "Nice" a medal?

Funny, Articles 61 and 62 of the PPA contract won't protect Nice from questions by Tigard / Wash Co.

He'll actually have to "hang Five", and decline to answer based on his federal Fifth Amendment and Oregon Article I Section 12 constitutional protections.

Should do wonders for his credibility as a witness in court in criminal cases.

Is Schrunk awake?

Schrunk might want to advise PPB that he won't be prosecuting any cases where Nice was a witness or participant as an officer.

The Clackamas County DA has the ba**s to do that. And cop shops in Clackamas County actually fire cops in that position.

Broaden it from steroids to drugs and the words ring truer.

Be sure to read the Report by Washington County Sheriff’s Deputy James Bieker.

Now ask yourself would more training have prevented this, a ride along, an appreciation of what hero officers do day in and day out with domestic violence and the crazed homeless in Portland? Could the off duty officer have shot the unarmed motorist in the back because he felt threatened by him?

Just maybe, maybe could there be just a simple problem with this officer?

You guys have it all wrong. This is just a sign that Nice is suffering from "job-related stress" and needs to retire with full pay and benefits for life on the taxpayer's dime.

"My infant's in the car with me -- great time to pull out my gun and escalate things."

The difference in this case is the cop was looking for trouble versus being in tough situation like the other officers.

In looking at pictures posted elsewhere of this dude, one quickly notes that he has set of enlarged jowls, and as everyone knows, this is serious sign of STEROID ABUSE as the body's base metabolism rate goes awry, one has enlarged jowls to signal that all is NOT well with this individual.

His life could be saved--assuming it's worth it to do so--if he were tested today
((and of course, the results shared with the lawyers handling the late-James Chasse
case in Federal Court))

"The difference in this case is the cop was looking for trouble versus being in tough situation like the other officers...."

Yeah, exactly ... like:
1) ...being in tough situation like the other officers who had to shoot a suicidal man in the back because he had his hands up in the air (well until he dropped them after getting hit by beanbags).

2) ...being in tough situation like the other officers who had to jump up and down on a deranged mentally ill homeless man who just got done peeing in public (well, the witnesses said he was peeing, he looked like he could have just finished peeing).

3) what is next? oh yeah, being in tough situation like this off duty other officer who saw somebody actually run a red light (well, it couldv'e been a yellow then red light, or an almost red light), so I had to: 1) flip him off and cuss him out, 2) follow him around (with my infant in the baby seat), and then 3) pull my gun out and threaten him with it.

Uh "ws" should't Police be looking for trouble? Part of job? Now escalating a simple traffic mistake(perceived)to a threat of deadly force sounds like a typical bully doesn't it?

When encountering jerks on the road, I've often thought "I wish I were a cop." In those fantasies, I'd turn on a handy-dandy red and blue light, crank up a siren, pull the offender over, and write the biggest ticket that the situation justified. Even that may be a bad idea -- but certainly, flipping the offender off and then getting out of the car with gun in hand would not be an option.

1. A newly retired LE officer told me he had a guy blow a light in front of him at an intersection and he floored it, to catch up and then reached down to hit his overheads. When his hand hit the ashtray in the family car he sheepishly slowed down.

2. In High school I started driving emergency vehicles and learned that most drivers were insane an unpredictable and should be avoided at all cost! So now I just carefully let them go, or drive around and get away!

3. The missus on the other hand likes to comment and discuss others driving habits. She scares me to death at times. So when she went to Texas for the first Grandchild, our daughter pulled her aside and said " Now mom... don't say things that can be seen through the window, and Never, Never give the finger! Almost every one here is armed!" (An armed society is a polite society)

dman:"Uh "ws" should't Police be looking for trouble? Part of job? Now escalating a simple traffic mistake(perceived)to a threat of deadly force sounds like a typical bully doesn't it?"

ws:No, off-duty police officers should not be looking for trouble. There's a difference between the recent deaths and this incident.

Jack Bog

Can off-duty police officers turn on their sirens and write tickets to offenders?

Beats me. I assume they can at least write the ticket -- can't anyone make a "citizen's arrest"?

I got a red neck button for Christmas. It sits on the dash and when someone does something stupid on the road while I'm driving I just have to push it and it emits a short funny insult about their driving. Works pretty well in converting the impulse for road rage into humor. This guy needs one.

After reading the report it appears both drivers could use the red neck button.

If a citizen with a concealed handgun permit pulls up his coat to reveal a holstered gun to 'make a point' he has just committed the crime of brandishing. If he has unholstered it and points it at someone without a rock solid reason, that is a threat. If my neighbor were a permit holder and did this nonsense would she have been ticketed or charged with crimes?

Where's Dan Handelman's video camera when you need it?!

Don't let these blogger meanies and those Washington County Barney Fifes get to you, Kyle. Westerman's got your back. He'll grieve and get dismissed any discipline the PPB dares to try to give you, or organize a march of all PPB officers with shirts saying "I am Kyle Nice" to get Dan and Rosie to back the f**k off.

In the meantime, go get some R&R at the VARP while we work on getting your job-stress disability claim paperwork in order.

Yes "ws" there are some differences. But what is the common ground? You want to talk about procedures and policy's. I'm talking about identifying antisocial personality disorder and this incident illustrates it predictably.

Here is some reading for you:

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

Look at the culture of the PPD. Look at how they protect and nurture someone with that disorder. Realize that other departments recognize and deal effectively with that culture and those afflicted.

Brandishing a lethal weapon when you or another aren't in fear of your (their) life or under a threat of incurring serious bodily injury is a crime. If any regular old Joe pulled out a gun after a traffic tiff he would go down big time. There's time for accountability and that time is now.