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Dear Lord, not again

Another deadly encounter with the Portland police:

While police were tight-lipped about the incident, two witnesses said they saw a man come out with his hands up and appeared to be cooperating with police. But they said police shot the man with a beanbag gun and then in the back with a shotgun.

"He had his hands up, just like this," said Kenny Boyer, demonstrating. "And he was looking down, like basically, he was just trying to surrender."

Let's hope this isn't going where we think it's going.

Here's the official version:

At 6:03 p.m., officers observed the man looking out from the back of the apartment. At 6:07 p.m., the man abruptly came out the front door of the apartment and officers began giving him directions in order to take him safely into custody. Initially, it appeared that the man was being compliant but then his actions suddenly changed. The man began making statements to the officers that they were going to have to shoot him.

Due to the man's actions, one officer at the scene deployed a less lethal bean bag round. The man continued to not comply with the officer's directions and in response, the officer fired more bean bag rounds. The lethal cover officer fired his AR-15 rifle in response to perceived threatening actions. The actions of the man that was shot will be fully released to the public after all officers and witnesses have been interviewed.

Officers at the scene immediately called for medical assistance but were not able to safely approach the man because they believed that he was still armed with a gun. The Special Emergency Reaction Team, (SERT), was activated and arrived on scene 23 minutes later. SERT is specially trained and equipped to safely approach and disarm potentially armed subjects. SERT medics attended to the man and pronounced him deceased at the scene.

Portland Police Homicide Detectives, as well as investigators from the East County Major Crime Team responded and began investigating this incident. The officer who fired the AR-15 is an eight year veteran of the Portland Police Bureau and is assigned to East Precinct. All officers and witnesses at the scene are being interviewed by investigators.

Sketchy, indeed.

"The actions of the man that was shot will be fully released to the public after all officers and witnesses have been interviewed." That may take months. Great.

Comments (22)

shoot first, make up lies later...the credo of the PPD...and why not, our "leaders" let them get away with everything...maybe they are scared they'll be the next ones beanbagged and shot by this city's trigger happy cops.

The lies of the police are going to be hampered by the fact there were multiple civilian witnesses.

".and why not, our "leaders" let them get away with everything..."

Unfortunately, it is just the city leaders that let the cops get away with everything, it's a gutless set of hacks in the DA's office that steadfastly will not prosecute criminal behavior when they are on duty.

Witnesses didn't change the outcome of the Chasse murder investigation. The killer was put back in uniform and back on the street to inflict more mayhem upon the public.

In this case, I believe some of the witnesses are relatives of the dead man, which is going to hurt their credibility. Also, the police story sounds as though it's going to be based on what the guy said to them, which probably only they could hear.

Witnesses didn't change the outcome of the Chasse murder investigation.

Yes, that's true, but at least everyone knows the cops lied about every bit of their actions.

Just another case showing that what we've got to do is equip cops with tiny line of sight cameras and audio recorders that see, hear, and record everything they see and hear during their shifts.

Here's one from Fairfax VA -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/30/AR2010013002019.html?wpisrc=newsletter

Shotgun or AR-15? Not the same thing.

Either way the story stinks.

Here's what I learned from this story: if you are threatening suicide or acting in a manner that appears threatening and you (or your family) calls 911, you should follow instructions/commands made by the police officers who respond very carefully.

Instead of head mounted video cams, how about a yellow triangle warning on the front/backs of police uniforms:

WARNING: Failure to follow my instructions may result in death or injury.

Tee, is it really your goal to have all police viewed the way Israelis are viewed in Gaza? Or do you just think that having cops acting as judge, jury and executioners to cull the herd is an OK approach?

A bus driver allegedly chokes some guy with a long police record. The guy walks away and tells the world how "that hurt me".

Bus driver fired, picture goes up all around the country.PORTLAND STRANGLER

Portland police kill, oh well, just another day.

Interesting how the media treats these two classes of citizens isn't it?

The story you linked too left out some very important info:

Meanwhile, KATU has learned that the man who died was suicidal after seeing his brother die just hours before in a Portland hospital.

What a great thing for Portland police to be involved with!

You guys are just lucky that you are police and not bus drivers.

It's time for Portland Police to start activating THESE when responding to calls like this.

The public needs to see what they see, we can't trust our police anymore.

"perceived threatening actions"?

When is someone, ANYONE, going to rein in the PPB which seems to be going more rogue every day?

Faced with profound grief it is well established that anger is a common reaction. This terrible loss that just happened must be someones fault--or maybe we blame God. The loss of a person very close to us, like a brother, is so painful we want desperately to escape the pain. So now comes the police, many of them and well armed. So we say something stupid in our duress like, "go ahead, shoot me!" So they did.

do you just think that having cops acting as judge, jury and executioners to cull the herd is an OK approach?

Of course not, but what it comes down to (especially in Portland) is that when you are approached by ANY cop, anywhere...giving you instructions, in the interest of self preservation you do what you are told, and sort the details out later.

"...but what it comes down to (especially in Portland) is that when you are approached by ANY cop, anywhere...giving you instructions, in the interest of self preservation you do what you are told, and sort the details out later."
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Great advice, and it will be taken by all the readers here, and other rational, non-drunk, people of Portland.

But what about the non-rational? Or the drunk? Or those out of their rational minds in grief? Chasse? My guess, it is open season by PPB... even if you have your back turned... they can still "eliminate the perceived threat."

Reminds of the drunk idiot who evaded cops while DUII, and ran into his house. Came out cussing the cops, and did not obey instructions. He was shot six times, and fully recovered. Afterward, he said something like "Hey, I screwed up, but six shots? No gun, no hostages. Just being drunk and did not obey. Shot six times on the front lawn."

Charles Darwin would be proud of PPB. Eugenics in action.


I guess for me the question is, what happened after the bean bag rounds defines continuing resisting or non-compliance? Was the man standing? Did he pull out a gun? What do I have to not say if I'm ever arrested?

I read the press release, and it begs the question, what did he keep saying that ended up with him dead?

I really want to know what, and I want to believe the PPB, but how the hell does this keep happening?

Mr Tee's cute idea is a bit tardy. Didn't the police just have a rally where they all wore shirts that said "I am Officer Humphries?" I don't know what more warning anybody needs than that.

Here's what I learned from this story (and so many others): if you are threatening suicide or acting in any manner that could in any way be possibly construed as odd or strange, you (or your family) should NEVER call 911.

It's sad, but I've told my kids this. Better to take a chance and try to deal with it yourself where you at least have the possibility of it turning out ok, rather than know that your irrational, non-responsive, or otherwise f'ed up friend or loved one will more than likely be gunned down by those you call to "help."

There are many reasons why someone may not be able to "follow instructions/commands made by the police officers who respond very carefully," as Harry and others have mentioned. God forbid you be mentally ill, like James Chasse. Or severely injured, like Fouad Kaady. Or drunk, like that 18-year-old kid in Washington County a few years back (sorry, can't remember his name offhand).

I hope to hell you never call someone for help only to watch them execute a loved one because they didn't - or couldn't - comply. [Or the cops simply said they didn't in order to cover their own asses.]

This is ridiculous. All the police have to say is that they felt threatened. Isn't it their job, by definition, to deal with perceived threats? It's insane.

Lucas Glenn. That was the 18-year-old. Sorry for that, hate to forget one of these poor souls' names.

Exactly right and well said.


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