I kinda have to agree, the al-Qaeda types blow things up over newspaper articles, I dont see how this would make them any happier. I mean really, whats the point? Obama has made it clear he's not going to do anything about it anyway.

I'm curious about what the advocates of releasing the photos believe is to be gained by doing so? We already know what methods of interrogation were used on whom and when. What would releasing the photos accomplish other than further infuriating poeple in other countries and possibly putting our soldiers in the field in greater danger?

It's funny to see Liz Cheney lumped in with all the hard core republicans. That's where she's at right now for sure, but as I remember, in college she was a "fierce" shaved-head dyke, advocating for the GLB "community" and women's rights and stuff like that. She was cool. What a huge 180! You wonder if dad went through the same kind of change as daughter. I'll probably disappear for writing this now.

Got to remember a bunch of the loons who want these pictures released also believe our soldiers are baby killers. They don't care if it engangers them or not.

Count me as one of the "loons" who want these pictures released. Maybe the public outrage will finally be heard in Washington and force Obama and Congress to hold the torturers (and their enablers) accountable. And if it further inflames hatred against the US, then so be it....you reap what you sow.

We certainly don't want to be exposed to images that might affect public opinion, now, do we?

It's funny to see Liz Cheney lumped in with all the hard core republicans. That's where she's at right now for sure, but as I remember, in college she was a "fierce" shaved-head dyke..

Are you referring to Mary Cheney or Liz Cheney?

We certainly don't want to be exposed to images that might affect public opinion, now, do we?

I dont think public opinion will change. Everyone knows what happened, we all saw the Abu Ghraib pics already. I really dont think there is anyone "on the fence" about this.

And I dont think Obama wants to deal with it. He basically said its in the past, we need to move on.

Besides, he has to fucus on spending. His deficit is already going to be 4x what Bush's was at its highest point. But I think he can do better than that. Thats why I voted for him.

Seems Obama isnt going to allow it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_pentagon_abuse_photos

People can accept torture as a reasonable tactic or not, but I don't think the release of pictures is really going to sway too many in the public. We can dick around over what types of physical or mental pain constitute torture, but there doesn't seem like too much debate that "torture" means "something that is really really painful that would be used in extreme (or under no) circumstances."

Seeing pictures of it would do more damage than good and give USA haters one more thing to use to recruit. To the post above that said "you reap what you sow," you do realize that even if Bush and Cheney were responsible, it will be the soldiers and possibly US citizens that suffer the consequences? Or is that still worth it to you just so you can prosecute a political enemy?

Besides, he has to fucus on spending...

I think that's the concern...

...you do realize that even if Bush and Cheney were responsible, it will be the soldiers and possibly US citizens that suffer the consequences? Or is that still worth it to you just so you can prosecute a political enemy?

This isn't about prosecuting political enemies - Democrats who aided torture and lawlessness should also be held to account - this is about demanding justice and adherence to domestic and international law. And I have a 21 year old nephew serving in Afghanistan, so spare me the lecture about not supporting the troops.

"Seems Obama isnt going to allow it."

It seems Obama is not allowing alot of things:

*Trillion dollar bailouts of insolvent financial institutions.
*Military budget cuts.
*Termination of bank executive management.
*Discussion of single payer health care system.
*Receivership of insolvent financial companies.
*Cuts in executive pay.
*Ending an illiegal bloody war in south east asia.
*Closing Guantanamo.

I am done with brand Obama (TM). I am ashamed of my vote for that hedge fund democrat.

You're spared. It isn't about "supporting the troops" as much as "asking for them to be placed in greater risk." Going after those in charge can be accomplished in a way that doesn't turn things into My Lai or Nuremburg.

This is why you never want cameras around when you're sowing.

"Are you referring to Mary Cheney or Liz Cheney?"

Crap, you're right, I was thinking Mary, not Liz. Now I'll be encased in carbonite and buried under Yucca mountain for sure.

Dick Cheney is actually a very reliable and valuable source of information.

Anytime he makes a statement of fact or prediction about the future, you can be 100% certain the opposite is true.

Releasing the photos could make Bush and Cheney wanted international criminals.

Seeing pictures of it would do more damage than good and give USA haters one more thing to use to recruit.

Actually, the use of torture already did that. Mission accomplished. Releasing the pictures could be seen as an act of reconciliation. Hard core terrorist won't be swayed, of course, but moderates might be. We did it, why not own up to it?

People can accept torture as a reasonable tactic or not

Yeah, it's debatable. Kind of like whether Jews, say, or blacks should be allowed to live and reproduce.

The Islamic extremists posted video's of the torture of Daniel Pearl. We should do the same thing.

If the photos are released you can be 100% certain that they will be used as recruiting tools by radical groups. I agree with the about face on this one.

Actually, it's about harming that re election bid for current politicians

Picture this - a debate

Opponent holds up a photo of torture and asks "Did you vote yes on this?"

Senator "Ummm"

Allan, you have a way with exaggeration.

What is debatable is, whether you agree with torture or not, do you think releasing images of the acts in question will do more harm than good?