We've had a great run with the Firefox internet browser, but we've come to the last straw. Not only is the Adobe Flash player plug-in continuing to screw up on various scripts that used to run flawlessly, but now the Adobe Reader plug-in suddenly won't display fillable pdf files correctly. It's been a great run, but when a browser starts causing this many problems, we've got other choices, and it's time to move on. No, we're not going to start screwing around with somebody's hacks to fix the problem. We installed the various updates as soon as they were pushed on us, and now things are fubarred. Mozilla, you blew it big time.
We're really reluctant to use the Microsoft product, and so Chrome looks like the default. Wish us luck.
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Chrome is great.
Only need Microsoft Internet Explorer for very, very few websites, and Chrome gets better and better seemingly every day.
You could try Safari for Windows to see how well Apple supports that OS.
You know the problem isn't really with FireFox but with Adobe's junk products, right?
Adobe has had two emergency releases of Adobe Flash in the last month to resolve security issues.
Adobe Reader is similarly riddled with issues.
This is not a FireFox issue as the same software has to be updated for both IE and Other Browsers (Safari, Chrome, FireFox, etc.). I'm in the middle of doing this at work for about 6000 client systems. The compatibility issues around Adobe Reader are enough to make you drink. Don't even get started on Java updates, that is up to three in the last month and most of the clients can't run them because the internal web apps aren't compatible.
The sooner companies drop Adobe's products, the sooner.
I agree with the FireFox reset and perhaps try removing Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader and Java, then reset Firefox and reboot. Verify that Firefox works and then reinstall the products, one at a time until to make sure the sites work properly.
Good luck, it's a rough World Wide Web out there....
Google Chrome rocks. Very clean and is pretty stable. The only problem I have is the occasional Shockwave Flash crash. Just make sure you disable the Flash that loads with the Chrome installation if you already have the Adobe Flash installed as it will create conflicts.
Now I have a big battle with Babylon taking over IE this weekend. I rarely use IE but when I have to validate certain qualities, I also check IE, and there it was.
Babylon is a big deal. Google Babylon Toolbar. Since I didn't see it on FF, I assumed it wasn't installed. According to FF, it is but for some reason, it is not showing up, that is, it hasn't taken over FF like it did IE.
Getting rid of it is not easy. It doesn't show up on my uninstall menu (Programs and Features). So, how do I really get rid of it for certain?
I am engaging Babylon over this issue. It is very suspicious.
As for Adobe Flash and Reader, I agree. But it isn't crippling as Jack sees it for my work, merely annoying. But the drift in software these days is overall annoying, beginning with Win8.
I have major upgrades to computers here in the works, and I an scratching my head over the best procedures and configurations to adopt.
Chrome is a good choice Jack. I have been using since it was launched and I love it. Everything just seems to work. Even if the odd page crashes, Chrome fixes the crash and restores the webpage you were on.
CE diagnosis. (cockpit error) Mercury planet - fleet administrator of scheduling, travel, communications
and all things binary like a twin - continues retrograde 10 more of its alloted 22 days; (thrice yearly).
Sign no papers meanwhile, lest reversal or erasure turns out necessary.
Courting trouble smoozes and smooches over the fence imagining a newer greener browser while deluded in backward logic.
Jack, just know that Chrome surreptitiously sends user data (and who knows what other goodies) back to Mountain View HQ. If privacy is an issue and you want a build that has the spyware stripped out, try the Iron variant:
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Comments (13)
Chrome is great.
Only need Microsoft Internet Explorer for very, very few websites, and Chrome gets better and better seemingly every day.
You could try Safari for Windows to see how well Apple supports that OS.
I gave up FireFox a long time ago.
Posted by Mike (one of the many) | March 4, 2013 8:31 PM
You did 'reset' firefox before you gave up right?
Help->Troubleshooting->reset firefox
Firefox has the best add-ons of any of the browsers.
Posted by al m | March 4, 2013 8:40 PM
You know the problem isn't really with FireFox but with Adobe's junk products, right?
Adobe has had two emergency releases of Adobe Flash in the last month to resolve security issues.
Adobe Reader is similarly riddled with issues.
This is not a FireFox issue as the same software has to be updated for both IE and Other Browsers (Safari, Chrome, FireFox, etc.). I'm in the middle of doing this at work for about 6000 client systems. The compatibility issues around Adobe Reader are enough to make you drink. Don't even get started on Java updates, that is up to three in the last month and most of the clients can't run them because the internal web apps aren't compatible.
The sooner companies drop Adobe's products, the sooner.
I agree with the FireFox reset and perhaps try removing Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader and Java, then reset Firefox and reboot. Verify that Firefox works and then reinstall the products, one at a time until to make sure the sites work properly.
Good luck, it's a rough World Wide Web out there....
Posted by Swede | March 4, 2013 9:27 PM
al m & Swede are right, Jack. And anything but a google product, please.
Posted by Mojo | March 4, 2013 9:32 PM
Google Chrome rocks. Very clean and is pretty stable. The only problem I have is the occasional Shockwave Flash crash. Just make sure you disable the Flash that loads with the Chrome installation if you already have the Adobe Flash installed as it will create conflicts.
Posted by HereandNow | March 5, 2013 1:05 AM
You may be having problems with FF of which you may not be aware. Open Troubleshoot and look for this:
user.js Preferences
If it exists, see what it says. Mine shows:
user_pref("extensions.BabylonToolbar.prdct", "BabylonToolbar");
Now I have a big battle with Babylon taking over IE this weekend. I rarely use IE but when I have to validate certain qualities, I also check IE, and there it was.
Babylon is a big deal. Google Babylon Toolbar. Since I didn't see it on FF, I assumed it wasn't installed. According to FF, it is but for some reason, it is not showing up, that is, it hasn't taken over FF like it did IE.
Getting rid of it is not easy. It doesn't show up on my uninstall menu (Programs and Features). So, how do I really get rid of it for certain?
I am engaging Babylon over this issue. It is very suspicious.
As for Adobe Flash and Reader, I agree. But it isn't crippling as Jack sees it for my work, merely annoying. But the drift in software these days is overall annoying, beginning with Win8.
I have major upgrades to computers here in the works, and I an scratching my head over the best procedures and configurations to adopt.
Posted by Starbuck | March 5, 2013 2:06 AM
When I can't fill in tax forms, I'm done. At this time, I can't fill in IRS or Oregon tax forms on Firefox. They work okay on Chrome.
Posted by Jack Bog | March 5, 2013 6:39 AM
But Jack, did you fill in the Portland head tax form okay?
Posted by phil | March 5, 2013 7:33 AM
Chrome is a good choice Jack. I have been using since it was launched and I love it. Everything just seems to work. Even if the odd page crashes, Chrome fixes the crash and restores the webpage you were on.
Posted by Bill Cooper | March 5, 2013 10:40 AM
CE diagnosis. (cockpit error)
Mercury planet - fleet administrator of scheduling, travel, communications
and all things binary like a twin - continues retrograde 10 more of its alloted 22 days; (thrice yearly).
Sign no papers meanwhile, lest reversal or erasure turns out necessary.
Courting trouble smoozes and smooches over the fence imagining a newer greener browser while deluded in backward logic.
Posted by Tenskwatawa | March 5, 2013 12:36 PM
what Tensky sezz
Posted by Concordbridge | March 5, 2013 6:46 PM
Jack, just know that Chrome surreptitiously sends user data (and who knows what other goodies) back to Mountain View HQ. If privacy is an issue and you want a build that has the spyware stripped out, try the Iron variant:
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron
Posted by Downtown Denizen | March 5, 2013 10:06 PM
http://bitsandpieces.us/2013/03/06/oh/
Posted by JohnH | March 6, 2013 11:43 AM