Life is too short for this. Nothing's more ridiculous than an internet slap-fight. But yesterday we actually found ourselves in a urination contest with the spouse of the Oregon state treasurer, Ted Wheeler, on Wheeler's Facebook page. She's taken down what she wrote, and we should probably let it drop, but we've decided that our exchange with the future first lady is worth preserving:
Not our finest moment, to be sure. You probably shouldn't say negative things on Facebook. Since we can't always resist doing that, we've "unfriended" Treasurer Wheeler, so that we won't be tempted to break up the Portland Polite party on his page any more. For that matter, we should probably "unfriend" all of the politicians we've accumulated on our "friend" list.
But we're definitely keeping an eye out for you-know-who. Wow.
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Got those ladies in some sort of hissy fit! Keep up the good work Jack!
Shame on Ted for not keeping the little Missus in line. I hope she didn't forget his martini. Who knew that Facebook could take you back to the sixties?
Jack, I'm always reminding my kids that potential employers can look at facebook and use your posts and comments against you in a job interview. If you ever dreamed of working for a political campaign, I think you just scuttled your chances. (Although Wheeler's next opponent may want to hire you.)
If more good people like Jack ran for office, the current pool of political sleaze would be diluted, and therefore upgraded. But the 'good people' would get dirtier/sleazier if only by association if not by contamination.
But I believe that would solve the 6B problem in Oregon. More 'good people' and less sleaze. There's a campaign slogan in there somewhere.
And some political spouses will never do the lil' Missus role, but instead find a vast conspiracy behind every critic, no matter how mild. Thin skin indeed.
Jack: In Clark County, the CRC topic is gaining a great deal of debate. Recently, local politicians including Vancouver's mayor, Vancouver City Council members and state legislators (most notably Jim Moeller) have been verbally sparring with readers on the Columbian newspaper's comments section.
Their responses make them look petty and unfit to be public leaders. Getting into a proverbial "pissing match" with citizens shows a lack of class expected from our leaders. Even worse, now spouses of elected officials engaging in snide comments to constituents. It appears the rise of alternative media and increased scrutiny of elected officials is showing that they do indeed "have no clothes" and they don't like it. Keep up the good work.
Feel sorry for Ted. She's already made fools of both of them. It's sort of like our own version of Kurt Warner's wife, who used to call sports stations and mouth off.
There's a reason there's no "dislike" button on Facebook. You cannot "dislike" anything on Facebook; you can like it or not.
You are also never supposed to say anything important, philosophical, critical or contentious. Clever is fine. Trivial is de rigueur. Smiley is excellent.
It's a bit bizarre that the world's largest internet community was founded by one of the world's largely unlikeable personalities.
Every politician has to have a Facebook page. I had to have one when I worked on a political campaign. After that was well over (and won!) the day I posted a couple of serious comments about an important political issue was the day I realized I should not be on Facebook. I suspended and then a few months later permanently closed my account.
Shame on Ted for not keeping the little Missus in line.
That is not the point. The point is that Ms. Wheeler takes her spouse's political career a little too personally, a little too publicly. Whatever the genders, it would be the same issue.
I don't have a FB account, largely because I'm a curmudgeon and have too much to do anyway. But if you don't want to communicate via social media, why maintain a FB account at all? It's like the Republican's strategy for campaigning during the last election. It's there, we know its important, and we have an account where you can contact us, but don't expect us to use it!
To be clear, I am reacting to the "wonderful point" that only non-serious people communicate with public officials via social media. For better or worse, social media is here to stay. Insulting the people who use it to communicate with you, on your own FB page, strikes me as being more than a little incompetent.
My reference to "campaign" was only to compare his use of FB to the Republican party's use of FB during the last election -- it was an insult.
But whether he's in a permanent campaign, uses FB for personal reasons, or is trying to do on-the-job public outreach, it is clearly a forum he created so that he can stay in touch with people, even if he says it is not the "best way" to do so.
Hopefully, Ted and Katrina will read these posts and realize that if he's going to be on FB, and continue to be a public figure, it would behoove her to tone it down and be a little more professional when she responds to criticism. But that gets back to my original point, if he's not going to use or monitor his FB account, then why have it? It just creates one more place where his wife can be thin skinned and embarrassing.
She should unfriend (or block) you on Facebook. Just like you do with those you disagree with on your blog.
And she's right about one thing: if you want to make a difference, run for office. You can't spend a lifetime criticizing elected officials from the security of your blog and maintain any credibility for your proposed solutions. Ours is a government by elected officials, not bloggers.
Get off your couch or they will continue to trample your lawn.
"You can't spend a lifetime criticizing elected officials from the security of your blog and maintain any credibility for your proposed solutions. Ours is a government by elected officials, not bloggers."
Oh, baloney. There have always been journalists, activists and agitators. I venture to guess vast numbers of whom carried far more weight throughout history than elected officials.
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Comments (24)
Got those ladies in some sort of hissy fit! Keep up the good work Jack!
Posted by pdxjim | February 10, 2013 7:32 AM
She hates you. She really hates you. Wants you to run against hubby to give her more chances to hate you.
Posted by Anon | February 10, 2013 7:55 AM
Shame on Ted for not keeping the little Missus in line. I hope she didn't forget his martini. Who knew that Facebook could take you back to the sixties?
Posted by Allan L. | February 10, 2013 8:05 AM
Who knew that Facebook could take you back to the sixties?
I think some never quite left...
Posted by cc | February 10, 2013 8:10 AM
Jack, I'm always reminding my kids that potential employers can look at facebook and use your posts and comments against you in a job interview. If you ever dreamed of working for a political campaign, I think you just scuttled your chances. (Although Wheeler's next opponent may want to hire you.)
Posted by Michelle | February 10, 2013 8:17 AM
If more good people like Jack ran for office, the current pool of political sleaze would be diluted, and therefore upgraded. But the 'good people' would get dirtier/sleazier if only by association if not by contamination.
But I believe that would solve the 6B problem in Oregon. More 'good people' and less sleaze. There's a campaign slogan in there somewhere.
And some political spouses will never do the lil' Missus role, but instead find a vast conspiracy behind every critic, no matter how mild. Thin skin indeed.
Posted by Harry | February 10, 2013 8:28 AM
I have a facebook account, but this is why I don't use it.
Posted by Talea | February 10, 2013 8:41 AM
Jack: In Clark County, the CRC topic is gaining a great deal of debate. Recently, local politicians including Vancouver's mayor, Vancouver City Council members and state legislators (most notably Jim Moeller) have been verbally sparring with readers on the Columbian newspaper's comments section.
Their responses make them look petty and unfit to be public leaders. Getting into a proverbial "pissing match" with citizens shows a lack of class expected from our leaders. Even worse, now spouses of elected officials engaging in snide comments to constituents. It appears the rise of alternative media and increased scrutiny of elected officials is showing that they do indeed "have no clothes" and they don't like it. Keep up the good work.
Posted by Hard-T | February 10, 2013 9:13 AM
Feel sorry for Ted. She's already made fools of both of them. It's sort of like our own version of Kurt Warner's wife, who used to call sports stations and mouth off.
Posted by Phil Stanford | February 10, 2013 9:17 AM
"does Ted know you come on here and mouth off at people?" unbelievable. you kids stay off my yard!
Posted by speechless | February 10, 2013 10:11 AM
There's a reason there's no "dislike" button on Facebook. You cannot "dislike" anything on Facebook; you can like it or not.
You are also never supposed to say anything important, philosophical, critical or contentious. Clever is fine. Trivial is de rigueur. Smiley is excellent.
It's a bit bizarre that the world's largest internet community was founded by one of the world's largely unlikeable personalities.
Every politician has to have a Facebook page. I had to have one when I worked on a political campaign. After that was well over (and won!) the day I posted a couple of serious comments about an important political issue was the day I realized I should not be on Facebook. I suspended and then a few months later permanently closed my account.
Posted by sally | February 10, 2013 12:08 PM
Shame on Ted for not keeping the little Missus in line.
That is not the point. The point is that Ms. Wheeler takes her spouse's political career a little too personally, a little too publicly. Whatever the genders, it would be the same issue.
Posted by Jack Bog | February 10, 2013 12:31 PM
I don't have a FB account, largely because I'm a curmudgeon and have too much to do anyway. But if you don't want to communicate via social media, why maintain a FB account at all? It's like the Republican's strategy for campaigning during the last election. It's there, we know its important, and we have an account where you can contact us, but don't expect us to use it!
Posted by Mike H | February 10, 2013 12:34 PM
"You wouldn't dare run against us. Our money would crush you." No Mahonia for you.
Posted by Jack Bog | February 10, 2013 12:36 PM
To be clear, I am reacting to the "wonderful point" that only non-serious people communicate with public officials via social media. For better or worse, social media is here to stay. Insulting the people who use it to communicate with you, on your own FB page, strikes me as being more than a little incompetent.
Posted by Mike H | February 10, 2013 12:46 PM
The other thing I don't get is, what "campaign" is Wheeler currently in? He just got re-elected.
Posted by Jack Bog | February 10, 2013 12:56 PM
You can forward FB messages to email ?!?!
Posted by Pom Mom of LO | February 10, 2013 1:24 PM
"The other thing I don't get is, what "campaign" is Wheeler currently in?"
The permanent one.
Posted by sally | February 10, 2013 1:37 PM
My reference to "campaign" was only to compare his use of FB to the Republican party's use of FB during the last election -- it was an insult.
But whether he's in a permanent campaign, uses FB for personal reasons, or is trying to do on-the-job public outreach, it is clearly a forum he created so that he can stay in touch with people, even if he says it is not the "best way" to do so.
Hopefully, Ted and Katrina will read these posts and realize that if he's going to be on FB, and continue to be a public figure, it would behoove her to tone it down and be a little more professional when she responds to criticism. But that gets back to my original point, if he's not going to use or monitor his FB account, then why have it? It just creates one more place where his wife can be thin skinned and embarrassing.
Posted by Mike H | February 10, 2013 2:24 PM
I don't know, I think compared to a lot of the "in-house" govt thinking, Mr Wheeler is not so bad.
I mean who else in govt even cares if they are issuing too much debt?
I scrupously avoid Facebook anyways.
Posted by Steve | February 10, 2013 3:47 PM
My reference to "campaign" was only to compare his use of FB to the Republican party's use of FB during the last election -- it was an insult.
Ms. Wheeler herself used the term. My question was directed at her and her spouse.
Posted by Jack Bog | February 10, 2013 9:13 PM
She should unfriend (or block) you on Facebook. Just like you do with those you disagree with on your blog.
And she's right about one thing: if you want to make a difference, run for office. You can't spend a lifetime criticizing elected officials from the security of your blog and maintain any credibility for your proposed solutions. Ours is a government by elected officials, not bloggers.
Get off your couch or they will continue to trample your lawn.
Posted by Mssr Piss | February 11, 2013 9:53 AM
"You can't spend a lifetime criticizing elected officials from the security of your blog and maintain any credibility for your proposed solutions. Ours is a government by elected officials, not bloggers."
Oh, baloney. There have always been journalists, activists and agitators. I venture to guess vast numbers of whom carried far more weight throughout history than elected officials.
Posted by sally | February 11, 2013 10:25 AM
Mssr Piss - The idea that you can't criticize unless you participate is ludicrous.
I don't want to be the President, but I sure can have an opinion on how he's doing. And I'm not a grumpy old man, as you seem to imply Bog is.
Posted by TacoDave | February 11, 2013 2:58 PM