"Store owners say plastic bag ban causes more shoplifting." Lets not mention the crappy state of No Jobs or the economy, it's the fault of what type of bag we use.
Doesn't the government owe me a shopper who delivers and can hook me up with some chronic crack? I would think they would have reusable bags AND only one environmental killing car instead of two.
Power to the People.
I read the article, but I'm afraid they don't make a very strong case for anything more than correlation. The plastic bag ban happened, and shoplifting has increased. I'm not sure how requiring that people bring their own bags would *cause* shoplifting to increase, however. Presumably it's because people fill up their bags and then just walk out, and the clerks can't tell whether or not they've actually paid for those items? Well, that's not the fault of the bag ban, that's the fault of the store for not modifying their system to catch this.
At my local Fred Meyer, for example, the alert system by the door is so ineffective that when somebody walks out and it goes off, the clerks don't even look up, they just wave them off.
I still think it's absurd that I can't use a plastic bag at the store but some random company can dump a 500 page phonebook on my porch, but I'm not ready to blame the bag ban for increased shoplifting.
Fred Meyer has an HR policy that no employees are to try and stop a shoplifter. The exceptions are Security staff and even those aren't allowed to chase them, only try and keep an eye on them while they wait for Police to show up.
Before the bag ban, the shoplifters would bring their own paper bags in, fill them with groceries, etc and just walk out.
The difference is that now they have their own reusable bags.
The fact that more are doing it doesn't mean that the bag ban caused the increase in theft.
Looking back on it, the reusable bags are a great vehicle for theft. Of course, there are many who probably thought of this well before me, and who have already successfully used this technique to their great advantage. Government giveth and government taketh away. But the recipients are not always the ones intended.
"Who were you testifying to -- Admiral Randy?" I specifically questioned the security issue in testimony before a Senate Committee in Salem that was considering a statewide ban. Were they listening? Not likely.
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Comments (12)
Saw this one coming and even included it in testimony against the the so-called single-use (they have plenty of re-uses) plastic bag ban.
Posted by TR | February 28, 2013 9:29 AM
Who were you testifying to -- Admiral Randy? Please, put "testimony" in quotation marks; the word implies that someone was listening.
Posted by Jack Bog | February 28, 2013 9:30 AM
"Store owners say plastic bag ban causes more shoplifting." Lets not mention the crappy state of No Jobs or the economy, it's the fault of what type of bag we use.
Posted by phil | February 28, 2013 9:31 AM
Bitten once again by those unintended consequences. "What could possibly go wrong?"....the greenie weenies asked.
Posted by veiledorchid | February 28, 2013 9:31 AM
What Phil said.
Posted by Allan L. | February 28, 2013 9:58 AM
There are multiple causes of shoplifting. This is one contributing cause.
Posted by Jack Bog | February 28, 2013 10:01 AM
Doesn't the government owe me a shopper who delivers and can hook me up with some chronic crack? I would think they would have reusable bags AND only one environmental killing car instead of two.
Power to the People.
Posted by fancypants | February 28, 2013 10:46 AM
I read the article, but I'm afraid they don't make a very strong case for anything more than correlation. The plastic bag ban happened, and shoplifting has increased. I'm not sure how requiring that people bring their own bags would *cause* shoplifting to increase, however. Presumably it's because people fill up their bags and then just walk out, and the clerks can't tell whether or not they've actually paid for those items? Well, that's not the fault of the bag ban, that's the fault of the store for not modifying their system to catch this.
At my local Fred Meyer, for example, the alert system by the door is so ineffective that when somebody walks out and it goes off, the clerks don't even look up, they just wave them off.
I still think it's absurd that I can't use a plastic bag at the store but some random company can dump a 500 page phonebook on my porch, but I'm not ready to blame the bag ban for increased shoplifting.
Posted by Dave J. | February 28, 2013 11:04 AM
Dave J.
Fred Meyer has an HR policy that no employees are to try and stop a shoplifter. The exceptions are Security staff and even those aren't allowed to chase them, only try and keep an eye on them while they wait for Police to show up.
Before the bag ban, the shoplifters would bring their own paper bags in, fill them with groceries, etc and just walk out.
The difference is that now they have their own reusable bags.
The fact that more are doing it doesn't mean that the bag ban caused the increase in theft.
Posted by Swede | February 28, 2013 11:41 AM
Looking back on it, the reusable bags are a great vehicle for theft. Of course, there are many who probably thought of this well before me, and who have already successfully used this technique to their great advantage. Government giveth and government taketh away. But the recipients are not always the ones intended.
Posted by MJ | February 28, 2013 1:51 PM
"Who were you testifying to -- Admiral Randy?" I specifically questioned the security issue in testimony before a Senate Committee in Salem that was considering a statewide ban. Were they listening? Not likely.
Posted by TR | February 28, 2013 3:09 PM
Well I'm glad the shoplifters are going green.
Posted by Lc Scott | February 28, 2013 10:06 PM