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The City That Pounds You

Do these look a little high to you? They do to us.

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The Over the Line parking ticket fine of $40 in PDX, is a $20 ticket in Salem.

It is all relative - compared to the water rates, these seem reasonable. The handicapped crowd must have a heck of a lobbying arm tho.
On a side note, I didn't know I could get a ticket for leaving my keys in the ignition.

"Keys Left in Car $50"

Really? They're my keys to my car, I'll duct tape them to the hood if I want to.

Blocking a water meter? How does one block a water meter without being over the curb?

But if you grope a teenager and lie about it you are not fined.

The reason leaving your keys in the car became illegal is because it makes the vehicle too easy to steal, and that costs everyone. I support this law. You might also if you knew how much it would end up costing you personally when your vehicle is stolen, regardless of circumstances or fault.

As I recollect, a couple of years ago virtually all the fees, permits and fines in the state went up hugely.

It's not a "tax," you see.

It went largely unnoticed.

"The City That Works...you over".

"To Protect and Serve... the Bureaucracy".

Illegal Alien driving Uninsured....$ 0
" " Driving While Suspended... $ 0
" " Driving Under Influence... $ 0

Makes total sense in Portland because it only persecutes users and owners of evil motor vehicles. I would expect them to keep going higher and higher until the risk is unaffordable for all except the affluent... CoP mission accomplished.

At least the vast majority of these infractions have a valid safety argument in favor of the law:

If you park in a bus stop, the bus might have to stop in the lane of traffic. That means riders getting on and off of the bus in the lane, the bus holding up traffic, etc. If you park on a sidewalk, people may have to walk into traffic to walk around the parked car. If you park across a crosswalk, the pedestrians may have to cross at another location in which motorists aren't expecting pedestrians.

The bottom line is you choose to pay these fines by breaking the rules. The people who park right in front of a "NO PARKING" sign have only themselves to blame for paying the fine. As far as I'm concerned, a "non-moving violation" should be $100 minimum and a "moving violation" should be at least $250 minimum. (However, if the infraction is simply forgetting to feed the parking meter, then the fine should just be double the parking rate, minimum of $10. So if you parked for four hours without paying, at $1.60/hour your fine would be $12.80 - failure to pay a meter is not a safety violation and shouldn't be treated as such.)

Now, if we want to discuss the unnecessary and victim-less plastic bag ban...or the unnecessary and victim-less tree ordanances...or the overzealous planning laws that make a homeowner who wants to do a simple project at their home pay thousands of dollars to "redraw zoning maps" (that has absolutely nothing to do with their project, and nothing to ensure the safety of the project)...fire away.

Eric: If you park in a bus stop, the bus might have to stop in the lane of traffic. That means riders getting on and off of the bus in the lane, the bus holding up traffic, etc.
JK: How is that different from the bus stopping and blocking traffic at a "transit supportive extended curb"? (You know, those big bubble curbs with bus stop signs that Trimet is pushing all over town so their buses have to block traffic so that driving will be as slow as transit.)

Anyone know what the fine is (for the retailer, of course) to allow me to purchase a can of spray paint and not make me show my driver's license? Now that Randy is gone can we get the paint cans out of jail?

I can't seem to find the list of fines for bicycles...or do these apply to them as well?

Old Zeb:

Great comment. I build scale models. I was appalled when my local hobby shop had to lock up the 3 oz aerosol cans of authentic US naval aviation colors.

A few years ago, I was told by a cop (who's a family acquaintance) that a remote start was illegal in Portland as well... not because of car theft but because the greenies don't want you to warm up your car before you drive it.

You would think that fines that high would have paid for Ellis McCoy's meters without having to steal paving money from the Maintenance Operations. At least the Auditor's Office thought that something wasn't right. That idiot Adams can't leave fast enough!

I don't really understand the "Repark, same block, meter" fine. Repark infers that you left the original spot and then returned to it or to another parking spot in the same block. You're still paying, right? So what's the problem?

I can see why there might be a fine in an unmetered time zone, but reparking on the same block in a metered spot? Give me a break.

And they got a separate fine for loading a meter so it can't mean staying in the same spot and plugging the meter again.

I am sure if they could think of more ways to fine us, they would. Most likely they are busy thinking of it.

I don't really understand the "Repark, same block, meter" fine.

It's a pretty obnoxious restriction, formerly known as "feeding the meter". They don't want long-term parkers downtown, period. And now they have the computer-based information to police the restriction. So if you drop into town for a haircut, say, and put 45 minutes on the meter, and (just hypothetically, of course) your haircut is later or slower than expected, so that you need an extra ten minutes, you're basically supposed to go home for three hours and then return for the blow dry, the neck trim and the product application.

Could make a little extra money for city coffers if one can be fined
for sitting in a truck with pants zipped open. (after January 1, 2013)

Bill & Sarbuck -

The City gets almost ZERO of the fine amounts.

Vast majority of the $$$ go to the state judicial department and the state general fund. Those are the entities which are cutting the fat hog.

Which o me says that a whole lot of this is driven by he "...hate cars..." ideology.

If the city were getting the majority of he bucks, I would at least think that he city was being practical and mercenary. But gouging the offenders and giving the bulk of the money away is sheer idiocy, typical of what, in the City of Portland and on is City Council over the last 4 years, passes for common sense.

Figures, doesn't it.

The fine for the merchant for not locking up the spray paint, and for not getting ID before selling the paint, is, I believe, $500.00.

Re Karlock's bus comment. If there's not a curb extension, and a driver parks there, bus riders have to walk around the parked car to reach the bus. Not a problem for most people, but those in wheelchairs would have a problem getting there, and it would be difficult for the bus's ramp to deploy.

Living out here in East Portland 3rd world (East of 82nd) and having Bubba for a neighbor with his friends that visit and park in front of the hydrant, across sidewalks, blocking driveways, often on the wrong side of the street, I believe I shall see what service I can get from the Popsicle wagon parking cops. I'm offering good odds for anyone that wants to bet.

Here comes trouble, especially in SE Ptld -- around the newly erected crapartments:

In Lieu of Garage - $35
In Lieu of Off Street Storage - $150

Government Vehicle Prohibited - $60

Bet they'll collect a lot of those.

Nonny
Common sense isn't necessary any more. The graduation rate from law school is exploding and therefore we can rely on professional help when contesting the results of Portland's complex municipal codes.

This fee list should be posted at every marked or unmarked parking space. I wish Portland had a free-trade zone highway that allowed passage through and away from Portland as to avoid any interaction with Multnomah County.

"But if you grope a teenager and lie about it you are not fined."

Now, now, now - Keep it in the traffic spectrum.

If you drive your pickup reeking of beer and stumble out of it with your fly unzipped after running over several curbs and have business owners call the police to report you - Then you are not fined.

Portland will always be a pop stand.

"The reason leaving your keys in the car became illegal is because it makes the vehicle too easy to steal, and that costs everyone."

So what?

If I leave my house door unlocked, that makes it easier for someone to steal my TV. Should I be fined? If I'm mowing my lawn, and leave my garage door open while doing so, that makes it easier for someone to steal my tools. Should I be fined? If I'm at Starbucks with my laptop, and run to the counter to get a napkin, leaving my laptop on the table for a moment, should I be fined?

Fining someone for leaving their keys in the car is infuriating and absolutely 100% NOT the government's business. Why in the hell should we be okay with that?

What's with "Driver remains at wheel"?

A very long compliance behavioral list will be following. Wouldn't surprise me city is working on those right now as they need more fines to keep afloat.

"Fining someone for leaving their keys in the car is infuriating and absolutely 100% NOT the government's business."

Car theft is the number one property crime in the state, most of it in the Portland metro area, and entails a lot of police expense as well as personal expense and shared insurance expense. A lot of laws regulating automobile ownership and use infringe on personal liberty: seat belts, mandatory insurance. I get your point. I'm still irritated (though no longer infuriated) at those two.

Don't like the responsibilities of car ownership and use? Ride a bike.

You just have to love a country that requires you to show ID to buy spray paint but not to vote.

I'm still irritated (though no longer infuriated) at those two.

I think that when the community finds out what these two did,
people will be infuriated!
However,for health, may be good if you can tone it down to irritated.

I'll put some balm on it.

I'm guessing "Driver remains at wheel" refers to a parking violation that would incur a higher fine if the vehicle were left unattended (such as being in a disabled spot). In other words, illegal standing.

The one I don't get is "unlawful receipt."


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