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Thursday, October 4, 2012

Let's hope they're right

The people who oppose pumping fluoride into Portland's water supply say they have enough signatures to force a citywide public vote on the issue. However you feel about the question, you ought to agree that it's something that the public should get to vote on directly. The City Council doesn't want that, though, because they made a back room deal with corporate engineers about this a long time ago.

Let's hope the signatures clear the fine tooth comb to which they'll doubtlessly be subjected. Let's hope the Sam Rand Twins are sent on their way before they're able to hand more mega-millions over to their engineer and construction cronies while flipping the bird once again to the rest of us.

As for the underlying question, given the fact that government is literally ramming this down our throats, we start with a presumptive vote of "no."

By the way, there are still a few days of signature gathering left. Does anybody know where in town we can go to sign?

Comments (27)

I have seen signature gatherers on Hawthorne near the Fred Meyer and at the People Food Coop. They have been at each location continuously.

No idea where to sign, but this whole thing seem so shady. I mentioned it to a friend out here in Eastern Oregon and they were astounded.

"Wait, are you saying they are going to put fluoride in the water even though it was voted down in the past? And they aren't going to allow a vote? I don't get it?"

Neither do I man.

It's called corruption. Legalized perhaps, but corruption nonetheless.

Wasn't voting outlawed a few months ago?

Voting seems to have been made irrelevant in Portland, yes.

And in Clackamas County. Hustle everything through despite the pending election in which you know the voters are going to forbid it. Outrageous.

The officials who count the signatures can always find a way to invalidate 30% of the total, even if they only count 2%.

You can download a petition to share with your friends on their website,

You can stop by their office at 408 SE 6th and sign it there.

I signed, and have consistently seen canvassers, at the New Seasons on NE 33rd. Funny thing is, I could care less about whether or not they put fluoride in the water, but Randy and Sam can take their "process" and shove it someplace the sun doesn't shine.

I have the petitions Jack. I can drop by the law school tomorrow if you want to sign.

I would sign if i legaly could,good luck

What happens when Gresham has a vote and refuses to use the "Water"

What the f*** is wrong with you all? Have you ever talked to a dentist or doctor in your life? Jesus Christ, it's like the dark ages up in here.

to keep costs down Portland may buy
floride from China

Yes or no in coments

trust -1

I think this says it all ...

Bobsac, what's with you? Have you ever talked to a constitutional law expert or civics instructor in your life? Ever learn about Magna Carta or The Bill of Rights?

Greggery Peccary, it's like City Hall is run by some inbred monarchs, propped up by moneychangers and flim-flammers, and defended by entranced imbeciles.


And --

Even if you ingest only the recommended amounts of fluoride through your water supply and from your toothpaste, you can encounter problems due to the fluoride.

Drifting to the Left! (History of the World Part 1)(0:45)


Portlanders have enjoyed drinking pristine water since the Bull Run reservoir was constructed.

The only chemical currently add to it is chlorine, which smells and tastes bad, so many of us filter it before drinking it.

That why water filters are installed in most refrigerators, why Pur, Mavea, and Brita are selling millions of filtration pitchers each year, and why undercounter filters are installed in many homes.

Now they have voted to add another chemical to our water, one which can't be filtered by these existing systems.

If you want to add Chinese sodium fluoride to every glass of water you drink, go for it. Don't make the rest of us live with it without (at least) the courtesy of a real public process (hint: more than 2 hours of debate) that includes a vote.

I signed a petition Thursday at the Midland Library, on SE 122nd between Stark & Market.

Our girls at PSU say there have been a bunch of petition gatherers around campus.

I'll just bet they will be at the Greek Festival this weekend 32nd and Gleason.

Also, go to the music show on Sunday,

Only sign if you know you live in Portland legal limits and vote in elections. WRITE CLEARLY AND FILL OUT ALL helps to write *small*. Make your printed name really legible!!!! A lot of names are very hard to read which is mainly important in getting a count. The most important part is the signature.


Anyone who thinks they know what fluoride does hasn't really checked out what's become known in the last 10 years and should take to heart the only FDA approved use is in toothpaste and they say to: SPIT IT OUT!!!

The CDC calls fluoridation one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

The National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, has scientifically-based studies from 1951, 1977, 1993, 2006, and 2007 supporting the safety and efficacy of fluoridation.

As of 2010, 66% of Americans drink fluoridated water.

And yet, there is no national outcry over the poisoning of people, blackening of teeth, etc. Instead we get a link to and link to youtube to support the "objective" rationale for opposing fluoridation.

It looks like a public vote will happen. Fine. It also looks like it will have nothing at all to do with anything approaching rational, scientific issues.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

"Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones."


With the corporate takeover of our government, is does not surprise me that you can find all sorts of "studies" backing the very industries that benefit from these "studies".

If you still want to trust the government after decades of BS piled upon BS (weapons of mass destruction to name just a recent big lie), you are in denial about how far down the rabbit hole we have fallen.

I'm sure all you forced floridation advocates will get right behind adding mood altering drugs, say Zanex, to the water supply.
It's for the children don't you know.

I signed the petition a couple of weeks ago. People seemed eager to sign. This clearly demonstrates how out of touch with the populous the Sam-Rand twins have become.

LOL... Really? Iraqi WMDs and Xanax in water is the response to published studies by the CDC and National Research Council on fluoridation?

What the f*** is wrong with you all? Have you ever talked to a dentist or doctor in your life? Jesus Christ, it's like the dark ages up in here.

I appreciate the family-friendly comment, and suggest that you may serve as the poster-child representing too many years of government-mandated medication.

There are a few things worth noting, here: first, we've already voted it down. Second, fluoride is widely available in virtually all dental products; indeed, one must actively search to find a product that lacks the substance. Third, fluoride is effective when applied topically, as via toothpaste/rinse. As a rule, people spit when using these products, and indeed, there are warnings on the products advising against ingestion.

What Portland City Council, in their usual arrogance, has unanimously mandated is involuntary medication through intentional contamination of the water supply. I suspect that, given the rush of signatures, many are growing tired of politicians who view themselves not as our representatives, but as our care-takers.

What is especially ironic about this, given the Portland politicians' ongoing desire to remake the city into a "green and sustainable" Ecotopia, is that this mandate accomplishes precisely the opposite of their goals: they decry bottled water as wasteful and unsustainable, yet that is exactly what opponents of fluoridation will purchase for consumption.

The law of unintended consequences rears its head once again.


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