There are so many aromas emanating from the Patronage Center at Portland State these days. The latest: mandatory health insurance. "My granddaughter, who is insured through her mother, applied for a waiver and is one of the 800 rejected," a reader writes. "No reason is given." Here are the official rules.
Comments (20)
A bigger pool keeps program costs in line by avoiding adverse selection. That's a simpler explanation.
PSU will give a student a waiver only if the other insurance is "as good or better" than PSU's plan. "As good or better" means no more than a $1,000 deductible and must include prescriptions and mental health coverage in addition to in- and out-patient medical benefits.
I guess if I were unlucky enough to still be a student at PSU I’d be stuck having to pay for a second insurance coverage. I chose a high deductible policy where I work because I can afford to pay the deductible if I ever needed medical treatment.
It amazes me that here, like at the federal level, I have to purchase insurance for routine treatment even though I can to pay the cost out of my own pocket. Geezz, if Bill Gates was a student here he’d have to pay for the insurance even though he could buy PSU several time over!
Given the demographics of the collage population somebody is making a helluva lot o money on this deal.
My current health insurance with the $1500 deductible would to qualify.
Seems to ke that the insurance companies are robbing the students!
When I was attending PSU the school cut a lucrative deal with credit card company so that all financial aid came through that company on your card and it was also a mandatory ID card. You had to opt out of the card also being a credit card. Like that time this wasn't done to benefit the students it was done to benefit the school. PSU must be getting some financial reimbursement from the insurance company to make this mandatory.
It is different from the Afforable Care Act. Under that act you don't have to buy insurance.If you do not there is a penalty "In 2014, the penalty is either $95 for every adult and $47.50 for every child under the age of 18 in the household (up to $285 for a family), or 1 percent of taxable income for the household, whichever is larger.
In 2015, it's $325 for every adult and $162.50 for every child (up to $975 for a family), or 2 percent of taxable income, whichever is larger.
" Under the PSU plan you must have insurance period.
One used to have to opt IN to campus health insurance, now students have to opt OUT? Students are already being gouged enough by public higher education - the price of insurance could cover the cost of books for the year, and those are outrageous and getting worse. It is lunatic to force people to buy something they do not want and cannot afford just to get an education. Next thing you know students will all have to buy uniforms, for their own good of course. Where does it stop? They have students by the throat for no good reason other than the nanny state's whine that "it's good for them." Isn't there a law against this stuff? If not, there should be otherwise there will just be more and more of it. The Road to Serfdom is paved with good intentions (along with a good measure of greed).
"It is different from the Afforable Care Act. Under that act you don't have to buy insurance.If you do not there is a penalty"
Don't worry, the ObamaCare tax for not buying insurance will soon be jacked up to the point where you will have to buy insurance, whether you want to or not.
One of the key pillars of ObamaCare is that healthy young people are forced to buy insurance, priced at a level far more expensive than the cost required to provide medical care to healthy young people - with the difference going to expanding insurance coverage, paying for administration, and whatnot.
PSU is simply providing a glimpse of the happy future!
uhh, aren't most people under 26 covered by their parents health plan per obamacare? Aren't most attending PSU under 26? What authority do they have to mandate you have healthcare as "good" as they say?
Just another statist assault, unsuprizing coming from the State Temple of Propaganda.
*Comparable coverage will require no more than a $1,000 deductible, include prescriptions and Mental Health coverage in addition to In- and Out-patient medical benefits.
Wow, as if the financial burden of tuition, books, and living costs plus the loan/debt students are left with isn't enough, now they are mandated to have insurance that includes prescriptions and Mental Health coverage. I see another pattern here, create a problem, make more money on the solution, perhaps after all that, the students may just need a nice dose of antidepressants just to deal with all of this.
At least there's an opt-out now. Four years ago I took First Year Japanese at PSU as a post-bacc student - it's a 5 credit class. This meant I was automatically enrolled in their crappy health plan (it didn't cover pre-existing conditions, for example), and there was NO OPT OUT option. I was also covered under a really excellent plan from my husband's employer. Because the PSU plan would have become my primary insurance, the way these things work under the law, I would have ended up paying a lot more out of pocket to treat my pre-existing chronic health condition than if I DIDN'T have the stupid PSU insurance!!! It took about two months of back and forth emails and phone calls with the insurance coordinator to get myself unenrolled from the PSU plan - and with NO REFUND of the fee. I had the privilege each term of paying several hundred dollars for a health plan that would have cost me hundreds more dollars out of my pocket had I stayed on the plan. At the time I was just stunned that they had no opt-out. Must have been a nice racket for PSU while it lasted though, since they got to keep my money, but provide no services for it.
Claire,
Your experience of back and forth sounds frustrating enough to want a person to reconsider going to PSU. It seems to me that one should have a choice, whether you want to remain on your plan or do the student plan or to opt out completely from any mandate by the University. Is this a federal mandate now? All this for a 5 hr. credit class or more? I thought health-plan changes were going to be implemented in 2014? Why should you have been forced to change if your current plan covered pre-existing conditions? More intrusions into one's life and more insanity.
Charamba, Douro 2008
Horse Heaven Hills, Cabernet 2010
Lorelle, Horse Heaven Hills Pinot Grigio 2011
Avignonesi, Montepulciano 2004
Lorelle, Willamette Valley Pinot Noir 2011
Villa Antinori, Toscana 2007
Mercedes Eguren, Cabernet Sauvignon 2009
Lorelle, Columbia Valley Cabernet 2011
Purple Moon, Merlot 2011
Purple Moon, Chardonnnay 2011
Abacela, Vintner's Blend No. 12
Opula Red Blend 2010
Liberte, Pinot Noir 2010
Chateau Ste. Michelle, Indian Wells Red Blend 2010
Woodbridge, Chardonnay 2011
King Estate, Pinot Noir 2011
Famille Perrin, Cotes du Rhone Villages 2010
Columbia Crest, Les Chevaux Red 2010
14 Hands, Hot to Trot White Blend
Familia Bianchi, Malbec 2009
Terrapin Cellars, Pinot Gris 2011
Columbia Crest, Walter Clore Private Reserve 2009
Campo Viejo, Rioja, Termpranillo 2010
Ravenswood, Cabernet Sauvignon 2009
Quinta das Amoras, Vinho Tinto 2010
Waterbrook, Reserve Merlot 2009
Lorelle, Horse Heaven Hills, Pinot Grigio 2011
Tarantas, Rose
Chateau Lajarre, Bordeaux 2009
La Vielle Ferme, Rose 2011
Benvolio, Pinot Grigio 2011
Nobilo Icon, Pinot Noir 2009
Lello, Douro Tinto 2009
Quinson Fils, Cotes de Provence Rose 2011
Anindor, Pinot Gris 2010
Buenas Ondas, Syrah Rose 2010
Les Fiefs d'Anglars, Malbec 2009
14 Hands, Pinot Gris 2011
Conundrum 2012
Condes de Albarei, Albariño 2011
Columbia Crest, Walter Clore Private Reserve 2007
Penelope Sanchez, Garnacha Syrah 2010
Canoe Ridge, Merlot 2007
Atalaya do Mar, Godello 2010
Vega Montan, Mencia
Benvolio, Pinot Grigio
Nobilo Icon, Pinot Noir, Marlborough 2009
Portuga, Rose 2011
Revelation, Chardonnay, Pays d'Oc 2010
Beaulieu, Cabernet, Rutherford 2005
Monte Alto, Tinto Reserva 2005
Chateau Ste. Michelle, Cabernet, Indian Wells 2009
Espiral, Vinho Rose
Vin-Koru, Pinot Gris 2011
14 Hands, Hot to Trot Red 2009
Rodney Strong, Cabernet, Sonoma 2009
Abacela, Vintner's Blend #11
Portuga, White 2010
La Bourgeoisie, Red 2009
Januik, Red 2009
Three Rivers, River's Red 2008
Kirkland, Alexander Valley Merlot 2008
Muga, Rioja Rose 2010
Quinta das Amoras, Vinho Tinto 2009
Mauro Molino, Barbera d'Alba 2009
Garda Chiaretto Rose
Columbia Crest, Two Vines Vineyard 10 White
Chateau Ste. Michelle, Pinot Gris, Columbia Valley 2009
L'Hortus, Rose de Saignee 2010
Maculan, Pino & Toi 2008
McKinley Springs, Bombing Range Red 2008
Trader Joe's Pinot Gris 2009
Montes Alpha, Cabernet 2007
Gran Sasso, Sangiovese, Terre di Chieti 2009
Garda, Classico Chiaretto Rose
Beaulieu, Cabernet, Rutherford 1999
Picos del Montgo, Tempranillo 2008
Chateau de Montmirail, Vacqueyras 2008
La Granja 360, Syrah 2009
Montgras, Carmenere Reserva 2009
Lange, Pinot Gris 2009
Columbia Crest, Horse Heaven Hills Cabernet 2008
Kirkland, Pinot Grigio 2010
Trader Joe's Coastal Syrah 2009
Columbia Crest, Horse Heaven Hills Merlot 2008
Trader Joe's Coastal Chardonnay 2009
Vieux Papes Red
Domaine de l'Aujardiere, Chardonnay 2009
Santa Rita, Cabernet, Medalla Real 2007
Penfold's, Koonunga Hill Shiraz Cabernet 2008
Guild, Red, Lot #02 2008
Dievole, Dievolino Sangiovese 2008
Laforet, Burgogne Chardonnay 2009
Columbia Winery, Merlot 2007
Bonterra, Cabernet 2008
Elk Cove, Pinot Gris 2009
Maquis Lien 2006
Scott Paul, Pinot Noir, Le Paulee 2007
The Occasional Book
Neil Young - Waging Heavy Peace
Mark Bego - Aretha Franklin, the Queen of Soul (2012 ed.)
Jenny Lawson - Let's Pretend This Never Happened
J.D. Salinger - Franny and Zooey
Charles Dickens - A Christmas Carol
Timothy Egan - The Big Burn
Deborah Eisenberg - Transactions in a Foreign Currency
Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five
Kathryn Lance - Pandora's Genes
Cheryl Strayed - Wild
Fyodor Dostoyevsky - The Brothers Karamazov
Jack London - The House of Pride, and Other Tales of Hawaii
Jack Walker - The Extraordinary Rendition of Vincent Dellamaria
Colum McCann - Let the Great World Spin
Niccolò Machiavelli - The Prince
Harper Lee - To Kill a Mockingbird
Emma McLaughlin & Nicola Kraus - The Nanny Diaries
Brian Selznick - The Invention of Hugo Cabret
Sharon Creech - Walk Two Moons
Keith Richards - Life
F. Sionil Jose - Dusk
Natalie Babbitt - Tuck Everlasting
Justin Halpern - S#*t My Dad Says
Mark Herrmann - The Curmudgeon's Guide to Practicing Law
Barry Glassner - The Gospel of Food
Phil Stanford - The Peyton-Allan Files
Jesse Katz - The Opposite Field
Evelyn Waugh - Brideshead Revisited
J.K. Rowling - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
David Sedaris - Holidays on Ice
Donald Miller - A Million Miles in a Thousand Years
Mitch Albom - Have a Little Faith
C.S. Lewis - The Magician's Nephew
F. Scott Fitzgerald - The Great Gatsby
William Shakespeare - A Midsummer Night's Dream
Ivan Doig - Bucking the Sun
Penda Diakité - I Lost My Tooth in Africa
Grace Lin - The Year of the Rat
Oscar Hijuelos - Mr. Ives' Christmas
Madeline L'Engle - A Wrinkle in Time
Steven Hart - The Last Three Miles
David Sedaris - Me Talk Pretty One Day
Karen Armstrong - The Spiral Staircase
Charles Larson - The Portland Murders
Adrian Wojnarowski - The Miracle of St. Anthony
William H. Colby - Long Goodbye
Steven D. Stark - Meet the Beatles
Phil Stanford - Portland Confidential
Rick Moody - Garden State
Jonathan Schwartz - All in Good Time
David Sedaris - Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim
Anthony Holden - Big Deal
Robert J. Spitzer - The Spirit of Leadership
James McManus - Positively Fifth Street
Jeff Noon - Vurt
Road Work
Miles run year to date: 21
At this date last year: 52
Total run in 2012: 129
In 2011: 113
In 2010: 125
In 2009: 67
In 2008: 28
In 2007: 113
In 2006: 100
In 2005: 149
In 2004: 204
In 2003: 269
Comments (20)
A bigger pool keeps program costs in line by avoiding adverse selection. That's a simpler explanation.
Posted by Allan L. | September 26, 2012 12:14 PM
"A bigger pool keeps" PSU's probable 7% of the premium higher also.
Posted by Steve | September 26, 2012 12:18 PM
PSU will give a student a waiver only if the other insurance is "as good or better" than PSU's plan. "As good or better" means no more than a $1,000 deductible and must include prescriptions and mental health coverage in addition to in- and out-patient medical benefits.
Posted by Garage Wine | September 26, 2012 12:19 PM
I guess if I were unlucky enough to still be a student at PSU I’d be stuck having to pay for a second insurance coverage. I chose a high deductible policy where I work because I can afford to pay the deductible if I ever needed medical treatment.
It amazes me that here, like at the federal level, I have to purchase insurance for routine treatment even though I can to pay the cost out of my own pocket. Geezz, if Bill Gates was a student here he’d have to pay for the insurance even though he could buy PSU several time over!
Posted by PDXLexus | September 26, 2012 12:35 PM
PSU students are getting a bit of price break, but the prescription drug coverage looks like it adds about $40 a month, which is $480 a year.
Here are the private plans that satisfy PSU's requirements. The top one is crossed out because it doesn't cover prescription drugs.
Posted by Garage Wine | September 26, 2012 12:36 PM
Welcome to PSU, where it is our goal to blur the line between matriculation and assimilation.
Posted by PanchoPDX | September 26, 2012 12:39 PM
Given the demographics of the collage population somebody is making a helluva lot o money on this deal.
My current health insurance with the $1500 deductible would to qualify.
Seems to ke that the insurance companies are robbing the students!
Posted by Portland Native | September 26, 2012 1:14 PM
When I was attending PSU the school cut a lucrative deal with credit card company so that all financial aid came through that company on your card and it was also a mandatory ID card. You had to opt out of the card also being a credit card. Like that time this wasn't done to benefit the students it was done to benefit the school. PSU must be getting some financial reimbursement from the insurance company to make this mandatory.
Posted by Mike | September 26, 2012 1:50 PM
A bigger pool keeps program costs in line by avoiding adverse selection. That's a simpler explanation.
What's a "simpler explanation" for your inability or unwillingness to see any chance of corruption here?
When government dictates, everything becomes simpler - no choice involved.
You like that for the great unwashed, don't you?
Posted by cc | September 26, 2012 2:28 PM
Ah yes, centralized control of health care is such a good thing.
Posted by Newleaf | September 26, 2012 4:16 PM
The key to the "WHY" lies deep within the bank account of some administration officials and a "consulting fee".
Posted by ltjd | September 26, 2012 4:54 PM
Check out the PSU "Student Health Care Advocate" in the comments. If it's now mandatory, why is an advocate needed?
Posted by Andrew | September 26, 2012 5:23 PM
How is this essentially different from the "Affordable Care Act?"
Posted by sally | September 26, 2012 6:41 PM
It is different from the Afforable Care Act. Under that act you don't have to buy insurance.If you do not there is a penalty "In 2014, the penalty is either $95 for every adult and $47.50 for every child under the age of 18 in the household (up to $285 for a family), or 1 percent of taxable income for the household, whichever is larger.
In 2015, it's $325 for every adult and $162.50 for every child (up to $975 for a family), or 2 percent of taxable income, whichever is larger.
" Under the PSU plan you must have insurance period.
Posted by mike | September 27, 2012 5:38 AM
One used to have to opt IN to campus health insurance, now students have to opt OUT? Students are already being gouged enough by public higher education - the price of insurance could cover the cost of books for the year, and those are outrageous and getting worse. It is lunatic to force people to buy something they do not want and cannot afford just to get an education. Next thing you know students will all have to buy uniforms, for their own good of course. Where does it stop? They have students by the throat for no good reason other than the nanny state's whine that "it's good for them." Isn't there a law against this stuff? If not, there should be otherwise there will just be more and more of it. The Road to Serfdom is paved with good intentions (along with a good measure of greed).
Posted by Nolo | September 27, 2012 7:05 AM
"It is different from the Afforable Care Act. Under that act you don't have to buy insurance.If you do not there is a penalty"
Don't worry, the ObamaCare tax for not buying insurance will soon be jacked up to the point where you will have to buy insurance, whether you want to or not.
One of the key pillars of ObamaCare is that healthy young people are forced to buy insurance, priced at a level far more expensive than the cost required to provide medical care to healthy young people - with the difference going to expanding insurance coverage, paying for administration, and whatnot.
PSU is simply providing a glimpse of the happy future!
Posted by Random | September 27, 2012 7:50 AM
uhh, aren't most people under 26 covered by their parents health plan per obamacare? Aren't most attending PSU under 26? What authority do they have to mandate you have healthcare as "good" as they say?
Just another statist assault, unsuprizing coming from the State Temple of Propaganda.
Posted by Pistolero | September 27, 2012 9:43 AM
*Comparable coverage will require no more than a $1,000 deductible, include prescriptions and Mental Health coverage in addition to In- and Out-patient medical benefits.
Wow, as if the financial burden of tuition, books, and living costs plus the loan/debt students are left with isn't enough, now they are mandated to have insurance that includes prescriptions and Mental Health coverage. I see another pattern here, create a problem, make more money on the solution, perhaps after all that, the students may just need a nice dose of antidepressants just to deal with all of this.
Posted by clinamen | September 27, 2012 12:51 PM
At least there's an opt-out now. Four years ago I took First Year Japanese at PSU as a post-bacc student - it's a 5 credit class. This meant I was automatically enrolled in their crappy health plan (it didn't cover pre-existing conditions, for example), and there was NO OPT OUT option. I was also covered under a really excellent plan from my husband's employer. Because the PSU plan would have become my primary insurance, the way these things work under the law, I would have ended up paying a lot more out of pocket to treat my pre-existing chronic health condition than if I DIDN'T have the stupid PSU insurance!!! It took about two months of back and forth emails and phone calls with the insurance coordinator to get myself unenrolled from the PSU plan - and with NO REFUND of the fee. I had the privilege each term of paying several hundred dollars for a health plan that would have cost me hundreds more dollars out of my pocket had I stayed on the plan. At the time I was just stunned that they had no opt-out. Must have been a nice racket for PSU while it lasted though, since they got to keep my money, but provide no services for it.
Posted by Claire | September 27, 2012 2:24 PM
Claire,
Your experience of back and forth sounds frustrating enough to want a person to reconsider going to PSU. It seems to me that one should have a choice, whether you want to remain on your plan or do the student plan or to opt out completely from any mandate by the University. Is this a federal mandate now? All this for a 5 hr. credit class or more? I thought health-plan changes were going to be implemented in 2014? Why should you have been forced to change if your current plan covered pre-existing conditions? More intrusions into one's life and more insanity.
Posted by clinamen | September 27, 2012 5:18 PM