How is it possible Portland is weirder (and colder overnight) than Burning Man, NV?
Sufficient local weird, however instituted, ought to be antidote for and immunity against nationalistic political parties and their 'conventions.'
Portland is "weird" (different, maybe even normal?) because we have no fluoride in the water. They have to control us somehow. The Union, perhaps, never would have gotten off the ground if the Brits had fluoridated the water. (and drank Nestles bottled water instead).
JK: The NYTimes item of your cite is pathetic, (! 1975 !, like way back before CDs even), alerting everyone next time(s) to reconsider your sources. No thanks.
That was then, last-century Guess the Weather. Here's wa'sup in the Times now dude The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic, By RICHARD A. MULLER, July 28, 2012 {-- see what year it is?
"Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming is real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.
"My total turnaround, in such a short time, is the result of ...."
New ice core data from the Antarctic Peninsula has revealed that temperatures in the region during the past 10,000 years have often been higher than they are today, and that warming of the sort seen there recently has also occurred in the pre-industrial past.
Paging James Hansen: According to NASA, their most recent study indicates that the heat/drought affecting the midwestern and eastern USA occurred about every 75 years. In addition to 2012, midwestern droughts occurred previously in the 1780s, the late 1850s and early 1860s and the early to mid-1930s – the Dust Bowl days.
Nice letter in WSJ today in response to another op-ed about "A New Climate Change Consensus".
Letter writer asked:
"What might shake things up is for the experts to answer a hit-the-nail-on-the-head policy question: How will controlling greenhouse-gas emissions alter the likelihood and timing of climate change related effects?"
We rarely hear about the future consequences of actions taken to mitigate. The assumption is benevolent control, but do we truly know?
Tenskwatawa : JK: The NYTimes item of your cite is pathetic, JK; maybe you would like this better: Another Ice Age? In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada's wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. .... A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have.. Read more: time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html#ixzz24WQf2ZO9
or this:
... For aerosols, however, the net effect of increase in density is to reduce the surface temperature of Earth. ...is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age. S. I. Rasool and S. H. Schneider, Science,
New Series, Vol. 173, No. 3992 (Jul. 9, 1971), pp. 138-141 jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1732207?uid=3739856&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101001171403
Their recommendation to prevent another ice age is to stop burning fuel. Just like the cure for global warming. Later Schneider became a leading global warming alarmist who said it is ok to lie to people (Discover mag interview) to get them to act on climate change and he was editor of the journal Climate Change
Tenskwatawa : RICHARD A. MULLER: “ Humans are almost entirely the cause.” JK; Did you happen to notice what evidence has cited? NONE!!
He only said “ it appears likely”. That is not evidence, that is an opinion.
Do you have and real evidence that man’s CO2 is causing dangerous global warming?
Depends on what your opinion is of what the definition of 'real evidence' is. As long as your opinion is that your definition of 'real evidence' is the only definition there is, then, no, no 'real evidence' exists which you ever could consider, and even if you pretended to consider 'candidates' of the 'real' you could not see any through your blinds. Arctic sea ice levels to reach record low within days, John Vidal, guardian.co.uk, Thursday 23 August 2012
Arctic sea ice is set to reach its lowest ever recorded extent as early as this weekend, in "dramatic changes" signalling that man-made global warming is having a major impact on the polar region.
"The whole energy balance of the Arctic is changing. There's more heat up there. There's been a change of climate and we are losing more seasonal ice. The rate of ice loss is faster than the models can capture [but] we can expect the Arctic to be ice-free in summer by 2050," said [NSIDC scientist Julienne] Stroeve.
Research published in Nature today said that warming in the Antarctic peninsula, where temperatures have risen about 1.5C over the past 50 years, is "unusual" but not unprecedented relative to natural variation. ... The difference between the rate of warming at the two poles is attributed to geographical differences. "Antarctica is a continent surrounded by water, while the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land. Wind and ocean currents around Antarctica isolate the continent from global weather patterns, keeping it cold. In contrast, the Arctic Ocean is intimately linked with the climate systems around it, making it more sensitive to changes in climate," said a spokesman for the NSIDC.
Not to mention that the Artic is 'intimately linked' closer (than Antarctica) in proximity of the most man-made emissions of airborne industrial pollutants and chemical interferences during the Age of Oil 1850-1995. Below the news story of scientific MEASUREMENTs, be sure to read the 'evidence' of a 'real' person's comment, rated the best by the most other 'real' persons, in first place containing this line which you, JK better read in the first-person, unblind to yourself in it: "What really truly pisses me off is that the people [this means you] who have caused this calamity will die and not even witness what they themselves [this means you] have brought about."
Tenskwatawa ,
You have dug up some assertions, not evidence.
Evidence of ice melting says NOTHING about man’s guilt.
Also:
--a major influence on arctic ice is wind pattern.
--Arctic has been ice free in the past, before man's CO2.
--Ships traveled from the Atlantic to the Pacific in the early 1900s and during WWII.
--"Scientific measurements" are not necessarily evidence, they merely provide data which may or may not prove a point.
–Ice can evaporate without melting.
Current ice:
natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_alaska.gif
Notice it is more than in 2007:
natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/ARCHIVE/AK/2007/ims2007265_alaska.gif
Passive microwave measurements are missing vast areas of ice, because an early winter storm broke the ice up into chunks which the satellites are unable to detect. Alarmists are going hysterical, based on garbage data.
From : stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/25/noaa-showing-35-more-ice-than-the-2007-minimum/
Charamba, Douro 2008
Horse Heaven Hills, Cabernet 2010
Lorelle, Horse Heaven Hills Pinot Grigio 2011
Avignonesi, Montepulciano 2004
Lorelle, Willamette Valley Pinot Noir 2011
Villa Antinori, Toscana 2007
Mercedes Eguren, Cabernet Sauvignon 2009
Lorelle, Columbia Valley Cabernet 2011
Purple Moon, Merlot 2011
Purple Moon, Chardonnnay 2011
Abacela, Vintner's Blend No. 12
Opula Red Blend 2010
Liberte, Pinot Noir 2010
Chateau Ste. Michelle, Indian Wells Red Blend 2010
Woodbridge, Chardonnay 2011
King Estate, Pinot Noir 2011
Famille Perrin, Cotes du Rhone Villages 2010
Columbia Crest, Les Chevaux Red 2010
14 Hands, Hot to Trot White Blend
Familia Bianchi, Malbec 2009
Terrapin Cellars, Pinot Gris 2011
Columbia Crest, Walter Clore Private Reserve 2009
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Ravenswood, Cabernet Sauvignon 2009
Quinta das Amoras, Vinho Tinto 2010
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Lorelle, Horse Heaven Hills, Pinot Grigio 2011
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La Vielle Ferme, Rose 2011
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Anindor, Pinot Gris 2010
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14 Hands, Hot to Trot Red 2009
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Comments (16)
Alert the Storm Team.
Posted by Langston | August 24, 2012 7:02 AM
It's global something!
Posted by Mike (one of the many) | August 24, 2012 7:10 AM
How is it possible Portland is weirder (and colder overnight) than Burning Man, NV?

Sufficient local weird, however instituted, ought to be antidote for and immunity against nationalistic political parties and their 'conventions.'
Posted by Tenskwatawa | August 24, 2012 7:17 AM
Portland is "weird" (different, maybe even normal?) because we have no fluoride in the water. They have to control us somehow. The Union, perhaps, never would have gotten off the ground if the Brits had fluoridated the water. (and drank Nestles bottled water instead).
Posted by Starbuck | August 24, 2012 8:46 AM
National Weather Service issued a freeze alert for parts of s.e. Oregon, with potential temps as low as mid-20s in some areas for last night.
Looks like summer's over.
Posted by Max | August 24, 2012 11:49 AM
Its the beginning of a new ice age.
The solution is to quit burning hydrocarbons.
The New York Times:
Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead; Scientists Ponder Why World's Climate Is Changing; a Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable
from: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50B1FFD395D137B93C3AB178ED85F418785F9&scp=1&sq=%22Scientists+Ponder+Why+World%92s+Climate+is+Changing%22&st=p
thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | August 24, 2012 12:46 PM
At 500' (S.W.62nd & Taylors Ferry), my Oregon Scientific remote memory digital thermometer recorded overnight low of 47.1F.
But I was not awake to witness the event.
Posted by ltjd | August 24, 2012 1:16 PM
JK: The NYTimes item of your cite is pathetic, (! 1975 !, like way back before CDs even), alerting everyone next time(s) to reconsider your sources. No thanks.
That was then, last-century Guess the Weather. Here's wa'sup in the Times now dude The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic, By RICHARD A. MULLER, July 28, 2012 {-- see what year it is?
"Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming is real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.
"My total turnaround, in such a short time, is the result of ...."
Posted by Tenskwatawa | August 24, 2012 4:39 PM
New ice core data from the Antarctic Peninsula has revealed that temperatures in the region during the past 10,000 years have often been higher than they are today, and that warming of the sort seen there recently has also occurred in the pre-industrial past.
Paging James Hansen: According to NASA, their most recent study indicates that the heat/drought affecting the midwestern and eastern USA occurred about every 75 years. In addition to 2012, midwestern droughts occurred previously in the 1780s, the late 1850s and early 1860s and the early to mid-1930s – the Dust Bowl days.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/aug/23/nasa-finds-droughtheat-pattern-a-regular/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/23/antarctic_peninsula_ice_core/
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11391.html
Sorry, Tensk - I think you missed the sale on tin foil that Freddie's had last week.
Posted by Max | August 24, 2012 4:50 PM
Nice letter in WSJ today in response to another op-ed about "A New Climate Change Consensus".
Letter writer asked:
"What might shake things up is for the experts to answer a hit-the-nail-on-the-head policy question: How will controlling greenhouse-gas emissions alter the likelihood and timing of climate change related effects?"
We rarely hear about the future consequences of actions taken to mitigate. The assumption is benevolent control, but do we truly know?
Posted by Mike (one of the many) | August 24, 2012 5:11 PM
Tenskwatawa : JK: The NYTimes item of your cite is pathetic,
JK; maybe you would like this better:
Another Ice Age?
In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada's wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. .... A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have.. Read more: time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html#ixzz24WQf2ZO9
or this:
... For aerosols, however, the net effect of increase in density is to reduce the surface temperature of Earth. ...is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age. S. I. Rasool and S. H. Schneider, Science,
New Series, Vol. 173, No. 3992 (Jul. 9, 1971), pp. 138-141 jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1732207?uid=3739856&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101001171403
Their recommendation to prevent another ice age is to stop burning fuel. Just like the cure for global warming. Later Schneider became a leading global warming alarmist who said it is ok to lie to people (Discover mag interview) to get them to act on climate change and he was editor of the journal Climate Change
Tenskwatawa : RICHARD A. MULLER: “ Humans are almost entirely the cause.”
JK; Did you happen to notice what evidence has cited? NONE!!
He only said “ it appears likely”. That is not evidence, that is an opinion.
Do you have and real evidence that man’s CO2 is causing dangerous global warming?
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | August 24, 2012 7:57 PM
Depends on what your opinion is of what the definition of 'real evidence' is. As long as your opinion is that your definition of 'real evidence' is the only definition there is, then, no, no 'real evidence' exists which you ever could consider, and even if you pretended to consider 'candidates' of the 'real' you could not see any through your blinds.

Not to mention that the Artic is 'intimately linked' closer (than Antarctica) in proximity of the most man-made emissions of airborne industrial pollutants and chemical interferences during the Age of Oil 1850-1995. Below the news story of scientific MEASUREMENTs, be sure to read the 'evidence' of a 'real' person's comment, rated the best by the most other 'real' persons, in first place containing this line which you, JK better read in the first-person, unblind to yourself in it: "What really truly pisses me off is that the people [this means you] who have caused this calamity will die and not even witness what they themselves [this means you] have brought about."Arctic sea ice levels to reach record low within days, John Vidal, guardian.co.uk, Thursday 23 August 2012
Posted by Tenskwatawa | August 24, 2012 9:47 PM
Age of Petroleum Extraction: the going APE years 1820-1995 of human 'civilization'.
Posted by Tenskwatawa | August 24, 2012 9:54 PM
Tenskwatawa ,
You have dug up some assertions, not evidence.
Evidence of ice melting says NOTHING about man’s guilt.
Also:
--a major influence on arctic ice is wind pattern.
--Arctic has been ice free in the past, before man's CO2.
--Ships traveled from the Atlantic to the Pacific in the early 1900s and during WWII.
--"Scientific measurements" are not necessarily evidence, they merely provide data which may or may not prove a point.
–Ice can evaporate without melting.
thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | August 25, 2012 1:04 AM
NOAA Showing 36% More Ice Than The 2007 Minimum
Current ice:
natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_alaska.gif
Notice it is more than in 2007:
natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/ARCHIVE/AK/2007/ims2007265_alaska.gif
Passive microwave measurements are missing vast areas of ice, because an early winter storm broke the ice up into chunks which the satellites are unable to detect. Alarmists are going hysterical, based on garbage data.
From : stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/25/noaa-showing-35-more-ice-than-the-2007-minimum/
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | August 25, 2012 1:37 PM
JK: You convinced me.
Posted by Tenskwatawa | August 25, 2012 10:37 PM