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Beware of darkness

Let's hope that this report is mistaken, or a joke, or the rantings of a crazy person:

The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.

What would be the target of these 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets?

We shudder to think. Maybe our elected representatives in Washington, D.C. could tell us.

Comments (22)

Alternative to national gun control laws?

The SSA does have a greatly expanded law enforcement division and have hired staff away from our local police forces. Their offices are scattered in our business parks so they blend into our daily worlds with little notice.

There is more than one route to entitlement reform.

Jerry Curry is a "right wing nut job".
The Atlantic magazine totally disses this person.

To help save the economy, the Government will announce
next month that the Immigration Department will start deporting
seniors (instead of illegals) in order to lower Social Security
and Medicare costs.
Older people are easier to catch and will not remember
how to get back home.

The SSA is merely preparing for a zombie outbreak. Nothing to see here, move along.

It does appear that "civil unrest" is getting closer every day. In the near future I see some pretty tough times ahead.

There are so many things to remedy, but I see nothing being done and in many cases we are still piling on the hurt.

There will be no job turnaround until we start creating new industries (3-D printing being one of the most encouraging).

There will be no financial stability until we completely reorganize the creation and control of money. The Chinese with their huge Gold purchases are probably forcing us to do that sooner rather than later.

And there will be no equity and fairness until we place the truth above all other values. Name me any person in leadership today that does that?

The SSA is only one of many government groups purchasing serious firepower. They are attempting to hold onto a failed system by force. But they can only delay the inevitable turning of the wheel.

Ostrich-ism: When reality's told-truth exceeds TVbrain's comprehension, simply dismiss reality as a 'mistake' or a 'joke' or a random person accidentally walking into the TV studio and appearing on-camera talking 'rant' for 30min while no one can figure out how to cut the mic, switch the camera, go to commercial.
We The Folks (WTF) demand -- no maybe's about it -- that 'elected' federal figures must be responsible to report to us their truth of ... Terror Unfolded of, by, for them.

It is true here is the link to the SSA comments on their website. http://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/blog

The Obama administration wouldn't do this.

Oh, they just did.

How many abuses does one observe from an administration and still apathetically pull the lever for that administration?

Fast & Furious?

Jon Corzine not prosecuted for stealing money from segregated accounts in the IMF scandal?

Libya? Syria?

This is supposedly a "left administration", but do folks of the left like the fact that Obama has signed a series of executive orders which sets up an "overhead net" which could be dropped on the American People in the form of martial law? (Not likely, I know, but still the new laws, NDAA, the "bullet buys", and so forth, are omenous.

This is about an elite (of both parties) who want to protect their status via drastic measures, if necessary.

(I say both parties because the Republicans have been muted at best.)

Hollow point is designed to do the most internal organ damage.

Why?

Is this the administration who protects constitutional rights?

Lunatic right-wing website and the first thing I think of is, "Yes, that's a credible report."

Seriously? All members of Congress being led away in handcuffs by a cadre of SSA and NOAA armed illegal immigrants?!? It is to laugh.

I think a more plausible answer may lie in this link: http://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/blog/2012/07/violence-massachusetts-ssa-office

The "Whackjob Politician o' the Day" posts should be expanded to include their minions, like Jerry Cully.

to protect yourself, buy some body armor. hollow points can't penetrate body armor.

Every major SocSec office has a unit charged with Fraud detection. They are armed, and require periodic firearms qualification (like any other armed law enforcement officer.)For the size of their agency, 174K isn't that much ammunition. (I have about 6K rounds stored in my basement right now...) You usually burn up about 300-500 rounds every qualification. Some agencies qualify twice a year. This is just more of the "Black helicopter/FEMA Camp/I saw UN blue helmets" tinfoil hat crowd's paranoia.

It must be strange to live in an area where it is not common to see armed police officers on guard at most government bodies other than Courthouses (where security is present due to the necessity of having accused and convicted felons in the building).

Of course, then there is the downtown Central Library with its own contingent of Multnomah County Sheriffs Deputies, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Even all of Oregon's universities, except OSU, don't have an actual police department but a mere, unarmed "Public Safety Department". (OSU has an Oregon State Police unit.) My understanding is that California even stations CHP officers at DMV offices.

Not for long. UO is on the road to converting theirs to a police force as allowed by recent legislation. OSU has an unarmed public safety department in addition to the OSP detachment stationed there.

Getting back to the original post, it's unfortunate, but SSA like many federal agencies has an armed police force. They're usually under the agency IG's office. The IG for the TARP program has 45 armed agents and 27 vehicles outfitted with lights & sirens, for instance.

HMLA-267,

Do you need hollow-point bullets for the practice range?

Actually, practice ammo is much cheaper than hollow-point.

And, do SS offices need security armed with hollow-point?

Gee, what in the world were SS offices doing before this order of hollow-points?

Could concern be overblown? Yes, but vigilance is a whole lot better than an apathetic, "move along, nothing to see, here" mind-set.

This is part of a larger pattern, a pattern I don't find particularly attractive.

Tell me, HMLA-267, what actions (or purchases) would it take for you to be concerned?

Do you even care about all the actions the federal government has taken which could be turned against citizens?

Or do you support a government which seems more afraid of its own citizens as the years pass -- and why is the government seemingly more afraid of the citizens as the years pass?

Nothing says it is inevitable that government will get more concerned about its own citizens.

There seems to be an emerging pattern: This instant is only one of many events on a road littered with 'events' which make people concerned with retaining an open society where the individual is innocent and presumed responsible and replaced with one where the government presumes the individual is guilty and reckless.

Those that rationalize unexplicable actions by calling others "paranoid" for expressing concern about said action do nothing for keeping government within the confines of The U. S. Constitution.

It must suck to be living in Syria , and find out that their very own government has stockpiled millions of weapons , and will happily use them on it's own women and children. I am soooo glad that our massively armed government would never do that to us.

Jim Evans. Why yes, you do need "hollow point" or controlled expansion projectiles for the range. In most agencies, they use practice ammunition such as wadcutters or "Blazer" aluminum cased rounds for majority of practice shooting and drills. It is considerably cheaper than factory loads. Most of it is re-loaded ammunition, not up to quality standards as the ammunition one carrys on the street. During the TQC, where you shoot for qualification, they will use the ammunition that you carry on duty (referred to as "duty ammo") when you shoot for score. The reason is that practice ammo usually does not carry the same grain weight of powder, the projectile weighs less, and the projectiles are differently shaped (so as not to confuse with duty ammo.) It has a different muzzle flash, recoil, and loading characteristics. Some well-funded agencies (like the Feds) use only duty ammo in their practice and qualifications. Most state and local agencies find this cost-prohibitive. And yes, in these days of (weekly/monthly) mass shootings, anyone that guards a public space should have ammunition that has the best terminal ballisitics. (What are they supposed to use, harsh language?) I hate to break it you, but between military and law enforcement, the Federal Government buys *millions* of rounds every year. More than we can produce. We buy alot of our military .556 (M-16) ammunition from the Israel. It is "inexplicable" only to the uninformed (or paranoid.)

HMLA-267,

Thank you for the extended answer. I appreciate the information.

But you contradict yourself.

Apparently, many agencies use practice ammo by your own admission.

Yes, I see that practicing with the same ammo would be of value (but many agencies seem to get by and police seem to do just fine hitting their target (with significant exceptions).

But do "fraud" investigators need hollow point? Won't regular bullets do the job in that situation?

Tell me, how many "fraud" investigators have shot somebody?

Do "fraud" investigators need that kind of firepower?

Of course, you didn't answer any other questions.

"What are they supposed to use, harsh language?"

No, regular bullets that kill just the same, but don't turn internal organs into hamburger.

By the way, the government serves the people and are answerable to the people.

The government is not "I, the Jury".

This is citizens wanting answers from their government. Got a problem with that?

I got your answer and I appreciate your time and effort, but I'd prefer an answer from the government.

So fine -- I'll be concerned and you won't -- life goes on.

For Jim Evans and HMLA:
Yes, the fed agencies are berserk to have these little armies, and I must be a little odd too, because I have read a lengthy detailed report on the attempted assassination of Harry Truman. The Capitol police got into a major gunfight, bravely engaging the attackers. In the after-action report, the cops were criticized for poor marksmanship. The investigation concluded the problem was exactly as HMLA described. The cops trained with cheap bullets, which had different trajectories than the real ones their lives depended on.
I know nothing about firearms, gun fighting and certainly not about grain loads etc. For me the report was fascinating just because there was such a simple stupid explanation.
It is incredible to hear that there are agencies that still do this.


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