Hey JK, I leave the proof up to the scientists. My job is simply to broadcast my opinion and provide an example to others how they can broadcast theirs. If you believe global warming is a media-perpetrated conspiracy or hoax, then you'd have to admit it's probably the biggest and most comprehensive conspiratorial hoax ever. And if that's the case, surely, as a concerned citizen, you have no choice but to sound the alarm, spread the word, etc.
As luck would have it, I've given you the tools to do just that: cardboard, paint and freeways. Send me pictures of your work and I'll put them on the blog.
Freewayblogger: If you believe global warming is a media-perpetrated conspiracy or hoax, then you'd have to admit it's probably the biggest and most comprehensive conspiratorial hoax ever. JK: Yep. Mainly funded by government grant money. Billions. Al Gore already made millions.
Freewayblogger: And if that's the case, surely, as a concerned citizen, you have no choice but to sound the alarm, spread the word, etc. JK: See http://www.sustainableoregon.com/
Freewayblogger: Hey JK, I leave the proof up to the scientists. JK: I see, like too many people last century, culminating with the Germans, left proof of that master race thing up to the scientists. Look up eugenics.
Then try real hard to learn to look deeply into popular delusions before signing up. See Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Mackay http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24518
PGX Lifer - The people responsible for my "litter and trash" lived and died long time ago: Google "American Revolution", "Bill of Rights" or "Valley Forge."
Hey JK - Great site - how'd you find so much scientific information without relying on any scientists? (Cuz, you know, that's what the Germans did...)
Trust me on the cardboard/paint & freeway thing though - done properly you'll reach more people in a day than your site will reach in the next decade.
Freewayblogger: how'd you find so much scientific information without relying on any scientists? (Cuz, you know, that's what the Germans did...) JK: Actually many of the world’s scientists bought into the eugenics thing over a long period of time. That delusion ended the deaths of over 100 million people and the end of WWII . I fear the same could repeat if the world does not recognize the climate fraud.
As to your not noticing the many scientists on that web site - here are actual statements by a few IPCC scientists:
Phil Jones - head of the Climate Research Unit: The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn't statistically significant.
I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline.
Kevin Trenberth ...we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. (...) and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. (...) The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. (. . .) Our observing system is inadequate.
Michael E. Mann - Creator of the famous “hockey stick” shaped temperature curve: As we all know, this isn't about truth at all, its about plausibly deniable accusations.
Tom Wigley - Contributing Author to Ch 10 of of the 4th UN IPCC report: there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC.
Keith Briffa - Lead author for Ch 6 of the 4th UN IPCC report: I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC , which were not always the same.
Maybe you would prefer some quotes from leading figures in the climate field:
Al Gore: ... I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is,.. Al Gore in Grist, 09 May 2006
Stephen Schneider - was editor of Climate Change Journal (a peer reviewed journal) until his untimely death ... we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. DISCOVER OCTOBER 1989, Page 47
Jim Hansen: (He controls NASA’s historical climate records): Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time,
Can we defuse The Global Warming Time Bomb? http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-16/ns_jeh.html
above quotes found at sustainableoregon.com/oktolie.html
Perhaps you would like to know that the gold standard of climate research, the IPCC reports, turned out to have about 1/3 of their claimed peer-reviewed citations actually be from “gray” literature, including corporate propaganda.
See: noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/findings-main-page.php
Karlock - Volume does not make you correct. It just makes you sound desperate.
The politicization of the issue goes both ways (and sideways) and tends to cloud good judgment. I think we could probably agree on that.
My personal opinion on the issue is based on my experience as a farmer, especially talking to old farmers. All of them have noticed the changes, as have I.
Many have opinions controlled by ideology (nonthinkers) so many will argue the cause, and you generally have to agree on the cause before you can agree on the solution.
Last year we grew strawberries in an open field until Nov 7th. Even longer the year before. They couldn't harvest the corn until nearly full on winter because it wouldn't get cold enough to dry out the air. Sand burs, a terribly destructive weed, which were EVERYWHERE when I was a child in the 80's, have now completely disappeared. I haven't seen a single one this year. It's the moisture in the air, and the rain. The old timers have NEVER seen it rain like it has in the last 5-6 years. Also we aren't getting the huge northern blows in the deep winter that used to freeze everything solid.
So yammer away and link whatever you want. I believe my eyes.
Does the climate change ?
Certainly.
It did before man's predicessors learned to make fire and will long after we have solved all the mystries of the universe..
Use either Climate Change (because that is very vague and can never be wrong)
OR
Sustainability, which is just as vague but implies that somebody will decide what you can or cannot do with your life.
The Eugenics folks are still around and firmly entrenched behind the scenes - and this time it ain't going to be pretty (as if a couple Million here and a couple Million there was ever pretty).
Scarlet, you didn't answer the question I asked in good faith. Who do you expect to clean up the litter you leave behind? It appears you are above being responsible for your messes.
And yes, your message is observed by a large audience, but observation does not equal action. Littering the landscape with anti-energy messages to drivers is a little like preaching abstinence at an orgy.
Obviously, you are very impressed with yourself. Good for you. Look up hubris in your spare time.
With all due respect, you are believing what your eyes have seen: that the weather isn't the same every year. What your eyes have *not* seen is that human-produced CO2 is the cause of these changes.
In a system as large and complex as the environment, trying to say that one specific variable is THE cause is bad science.
TacoDave - I make no claim as to the cause, at least no personal claim. I speak only to the existence of an obvious weather change in Eastern Oregon. It's not year by year either. We can no longer grow the same things we could in the 80's and 90's. Even the weeds we have to battle have totally changed. That's not due to a bad year or 3.
As for the cause, I must differ to people with greater expertise. Being affiliated with a political group immediately disqualifies you from being taken seriously.
I trust what an academic colleague from MIT told me. Quote: "We know humans are a factor, but we can't quantify how much."
Either way, there's a million good reasons to switch energy systems.
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Comments (17)
Another dupe of Al Gore's climate fraud.
Hey Freeway Blogger, prove that methane can actually cause dangerous warming in the real world.
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | July 2, 2012 9:01 PM
Hey JK, I leave the proof up to the scientists. My job is simply to broadcast my opinion and provide an example to others how they can broadcast theirs. If you believe global warming is a media-perpetrated conspiracy or hoax, then you'd have to admit it's probably the biggest and most comprehensive conspiratorial hoax ever. And if that's the case, surely, as a concerned citizen, you have no choice but to sound the alarm, spread the word, etc.
As luck would have it, I've given you the tools to do just that: cardboard, paint and freeways. Send me pictures of your work and I'll put them on the blog.
No Thanks Necessary, Scarlet
Posted by Freewayblogger | July 2, 2012 9:31 PM
Hey FB! So who has to be responsible for the litter and trash you leave behind? Not you, of course. Good little earth soldier!
Posted by PGXLifer | July 2, 2012 10:27 PM
Freewayblogger: If you believe global warming is a media-perpetrated conspiracy or hoax, then you'd have to admit it's probably the biggest and most comprehensive conspiratorial hoax ever.
JK: Yep. Mainly funded by government grant money. Billions. Al Gore already made millions.
Freewayblogger: And if that's the case, surely, as a concerned citizen, you have no choice but to sound the alarm, spread the word, etc.
JK: See http://www.sustainableoregon.com/
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | July 2, 2012 10:34 PM
Freewayblogger: Hey JK, I leave the proof up to the scientists.
JK: I see, like too many people last century, culminating with the Germans, left proof of that master race thing up to the scientists. Look up eugenics.
Then try real hard to learn to look deeply into popular delusions before signing up. See Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Mackay http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24518
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | July 2, 2012 10:56 PM
PGX Lifer - The people responsible for my "litter and trash" lived and died long time ago: Google "American Revolution", "Bill of Rights" or "Valley Forge."
Hey JK - Great site - how'd you find so much scientific information without relying on any scientists? (Cuz, you know, that's what the Germans did...)
Trust me on the cardboard/paint & freeway thing though - done properly you'll reach more people in a day than your site will reach in the next decade.
Posted by Freewayblogger | July 3, 2012 12:01 AM
Freewayblogger: how'd you find so much scientific information without relying on any scientists? (Cuz, you know, that's what the Germans did...)
JK: Actually many of the world’s scientists bought into the eugenics thing over a long period of time. That delusion ended the deaths of over 100 million people and the end of WWII . I fear the same could repeat if the world does not recognize the climate fraud.
As to your not noticing the many scientists on that web site - here are actual statements by a few IPCC scientists:
Phil Jones - head of the Climate Research Unit:
The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn't statistically significant.
I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline.
Kevin Trenberth ...we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. (...) and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. (...) The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. (. . .) Our observing system is inadequate.
Michael E. Mann - Creator of the famous “hockey stick” shaped temperature curve:
As we all know, this isn't about truth at all, its about plausibly deniable accusations.
Tom Wigley - Contributing Author to Ch 10 of of the 4th UN IPCC report:
there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC.
Keith Briffa - Lead author for Ch 6 of the 4th UN IPCC report:
I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC , which were not always the same.
from: http://www.sustainableoregon.com/selectedemails.html
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | July 3, 2012 1:47 AM
Maybe you would prefer some quotes from leading figures in the climate field:
Al Gore: ... I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is,.. Al Gore in Grist, 09 May 2006
Stephen Schneider - was editor of Climate Change Journal (a peer reviewed journal) until his untimely death ... we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. DISCOVER OCTOBER 1989, Page 47
Jim Hansen: (He controls NASA’s historical climate records):
Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time,
Can we defuse The Global Warming Time Bomb? http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-16/ns_jeh.html
above quotes found at sustainableoregon.com/oktolie.html
Perhaps you would like to know that the gold standard of climate research, the IPCC reports, turned out to have about 1/3 of their claimed peer-reviewed citations actually be from “gray” literature, including corporate propaganda.
See: noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/findings-main-page.php
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | July 3, 2012 2:53 AM
Karlock - Volume does not make you correct. It just makes you sound desperate.
The politicization of the issue goes both ways (and sideways) and tends to cloud good judgment. I think we could probably agree on that.
My personal opinion on the issue is based on my experience as a farmer, especially talking to old farmers. All of them have noticed the changes, as have I.
Many have opinions controlled by ideology (nonthinkers) so many will argue the cause, and you generally have to agree on the cause before you can agree on the solution.
Last year we grew strawberries in an open field until Nov 7th. Even longer the year before. They couldn't harvest the corn until nearly full on winter because it wouldn't get cold enough to dry out the air. Sand burs, a terribly destructive weed, which were EVERYWHERE when I was a child in the 80's, have now completely disappeared. I haven't seen a single one this year. It's the moisture in the air, and the rain. The old timers have NEVER seen it rain like it has in the last 5-6 years. Also we aren't getting the huge northern blows in the deep winter that used to freeze everything solid.
So yammer away and link whatever you want. I believe my eyes.
Posted by Jo | July 3, 2012 5:05 AM
Does the climate change ?
Certainly.
It did before man's predicessors learned to make fire and will long after we have solved all the mystries of the universe..
Posted by tankfixer | July 3, 2012 6:58 AM
Godwin in four! Congratulations, JK.
Posted by Cary | July 3, 2012 8:55 AM
Attention people prone to propaganda:
Global Warming is now no longer acceptable.
Use either Climate Change (because that is very vague and can never be wrong)
OR
Sustainability, which is just as vague but implies that somebody will decide what you can or cannot do with your life.
The Eugenics folks are still around and firmly entrenched behind the scenes - and this time it ain't going to be pretty (as if a couple Million here and a couple Million there was ever pretty).
Posted by Tim | July 3, 2012 9:00 AM
Scarlet, you didn't answer the question I asked in good faith. Who do you expect to clean up the litter you leave behind? It appears you are above being responsible for your messes.
And yes, your message is observed by a large audience, but observation does not equal action. Littering the landscape with anti-energy messages to drivers is a little like preaching abstinence at an orgy.
Obviously, you are very impressed with yourself. Good for you. Look up hubris in your spare time.
Posted by PDXLifer | July 3, 2012 10:17 AM
Jo-
With all due respect, you are believing what your eyes have seen: that the weather isn't the same every year. What your eyes have *not* seen is that human-produced CO2 is the cause of these changes.
In a system as large and complex as the environment, trying to say that one specific variable is THE cause is bad science.
Posted by TacoDave | July 3, 2012 12:19 PM
Freewayblogger, JK has been practicing "cardboard, paint and freeways" for over 20 years. Maybe long before you were born. It's not new.
He's spent many days holding signs over freeways during rainstorms and the heat of the day. And he has proof, I'm sure, if that helps you.
Posted by lw | July 3, 2012 12:41 PM
TacoDave - I make no claim as to the cause, at least no personal claim. I speak only to the existence of an obvious weather change in Eastern Oregon. It's not year by year either. We can no longer grow the same things we could in the 80's and 90's. Even the weeds we have to battle have totally changed. That's not due to a bad year or 3.
As for the cause, I must differ to people with greater expertise. Being affiliated with a political group immediately disqualifies you from being taken seriously.
I trust what an academic colleague from MIT told me. Quote: "We know humans are a factor, but we can't quantify how much."
Either way, there's a million good reasons to switch energy systems.
Posted by JO | July 3, 2012 8:34 PM
"holding signs over freeways during rainstorms and the heat of the day."
Sorry, not my thing.
Thanks
JK
Posted by jim karlock | July 4, 2012 12:48 AM