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"Bunkers on Barbur: Good idea, or great idea?"

In contrast to today's Oregonian survey about Portlanders' opinion of the city's hipster theme park orientation, it's almost comical to look at how public opinion is gathered when the bureaucrats are doing the asking. Here's a version of the pitch the City of Portland "sustainability" types are giving about running a new MAX train down Barbur Boulevard, and piling up the apartment bunkers on either side of that street all the way down to Tigard. There's a hysterically loaded survey to go with it, so slanted toward endorsing the city planners' pre-approved program that it's meaningless except in the eyes of the bureaucrats whose schemes it legitimizes.

"Here's what it looks like now:

"Now here's what it will look like under our plan*:

"Which do you prefer?"

* - If you'll just blow about a half billion of local tax dollars on a new MAX line, and hand out more tens of millions to Homer Williams, Mark Edlen, Jim Winkler, and others to be named later. Infrastructure sold separately.

Comments (33)

But it looks like the street was paved. Now we know the price for such basic services - "give us half a billion dollars to blow on stuff, and we'll spend 100K to pave your street!"

Great idea - If you look closely at street level you see a myriad of coffee places and shops selling $350 pairs of jeans. Plus bonus points for spotting Homer Williams gleefully rubbing his hands and laughing with Gerding-Edlen in an upstairs loft space.

Yes, we really need this. If for nothing else, somewhere for kids to hang out at during the 320 days per year when school is not in session.

Now if the tenants of those buildings only had jobs. I wonder what The Million are going to do here when they arrive?

I noticed they smoothed out the pavement, easy to do on illustrations,
how do they intend to deal with five years of no road fixing?

Leave our city alone at least for a breather instead of escalating plans!
Stop the slanted surveys done to get results they want!
Developers do projects on their own dime.

Don't have link, but read that a good way to convince the public is to show these types of illustrations at meetings.

Much easier to fall for it!
....and fall we do!

Maybe we need to have an illustrator we know add a few brushstrokes and paint about what is going on here, a big bag
of money on top of that building with dollar bills floating around...
show that spiffy complex with deep ruts/potholes on the street?
...use your imagination!

So dumb and dishonest in so many ways.

One, that isn't Barbur. It' some random side street I've seen.
MAX would actually repel such development form happening while instead providing an excuse to subsidize the same apartment bunkers and failed Mixed use all over the current MAX lines.

Promoters never point to any examples of existing development at stations or along current MAX lines they want to re-produce.
Because people would laugh.

Here is Metro's Tom Hughes bragging about MAX making Apartments possible.

Don't watch it all. It will make your eyes bleed.

Go to 33.15 in the video

Metro President Tom Hughes
Light Rail springs up apartments
Key marketing strategy for apartment builders.
Milwaukie, McLoughlin, 99W and Vancouver will see the same crap as Rockwood.
That's the plan and the voters are finally stopping it all.

Using the clone stamp tool and a gaussian blur on a layer in Photoshop is so much cheaper than grinding down the cracked and potholed pavement, and laying a new layer of asphaltic concrete.

This "push" survey demonstrates so well Sam's quote in the O's "Portland should fix streets..." article by Esteve:

Sam, speaking about surveys:
"A lot of it has to do with how you ask the question".

This quote should be immortalized as Sam leaves office. I'll never forget it because he has used his twitter surveys to justify so many things in his mind. Another proof of his hypocrisy.

So now we have a few chosen images, leading questions and maybe 500 real citizens participants and not all the repetitive neighborhood association participants, governmental staff, etc. stuffing the surveys-and we end up with a $4 Billion dollar lightrail to Sherwood. The 500 people are representing over 1.5 Million people who will have to directly pay for the lightrail without any input.

That is why a vote of all this Barbur scheming is even appropriate for Portland besides Tigard, King City, Tualatin and Sherwood.

INFO....the view is south....from SW 13th at Custer.....Barbur is in the background. This is Burlingame Fred Meyer. I'm sure Freddie's would love the residential infill....yet probably abhor the traffic snarls LR would spawn on Barbur, limiting auto access to their parking lots.

So does the previous owner of the Burger King have a cause of action for being forced to sell his land cheap...when this plan was in the works all along?

Isn't this land owned by Fred Meyer? Or was it torn away (ripped off) in one of those public/private/public razzle dazzles?

And I love that survey: "Would you like to see wider sidewalks ....on Barbur"?

Too bad they didn't offer the choice: "I'd like to see ANY sidewalk on Barbur, OR Taylors Ferry Road...for MINIMAL cost" !

So does the previous owner of the Burger King have a cause of action for being forced to sell his land cheap...when this plan was in the works all along?

That Burger King is long gone - it went away when Freddy's demolished most of the area and built a bigger store in Burlingame; the land was all owned by Freddy/Kroger.

ltjd -

Do the Survey, and in the comments sections on the last two pages make the points that Barbur needs plain jane "curb tight" sidewalks 5 feet wide - not 6 or 7 ft wide sidewalks with "buffering. Those Wider sws take 12 - 15 feet from the available ROW on each side, and by definition take out 1 traffic lane in each direction.

Barbur and I-5 are (please pardon the expression) a "couplet". Barbur is the relief valve for I-5 jam ups. There are 10 "rush hours a week, one AM and 1 PM Monday through Friday; I-5 from 217 to I 405 is a parking lot for at least 4 of every 10 rush hours. Taking away a traffic lane in each direction on Barbur makes all traffic worse when I 5 jams.

(I got bounced off the Barbur Plan CAC for these and other herasies).

Additionally. push the idea that if a rail - or, better, an express bus corridor - is built parallel to I-5/Barbur, ODOT / METRO /TRIMET must buy additional ROW for the rails / express busway. Same idea. Can't lose capacity on I-5. If you doubt that, look at I84 and see how well the Gresham line did in taking traffic jams off I-84. NOT.

Flood the survey with the responses PBOT, METRO and TRIMET don't want to hear.

When is FEMA going to take notice what Portland has been doing to evac and mobilization routes, or do they just accept on blind trust information submitted by the city?

Where are the overhead MAX wires?

Where is the fence down the middle of the street to keep people from crossing?

Where are the MAX tracks?

Where is the 24/7 traffic jam from all those new people in the condos. Very few of them will use MAX because it is too slow and doe NOT go where they need to go.


Why didn’t they show Barbur itself?


I love the way the telephone poles have magically disappeared. I hate telephone poles, but this can't be cheap to bury lines for blocks around, all the way to Barbur.

So does the previous owner of the Burger King have a cause of action for being forced to sell his land cheap

My understanding was that Burger King (which, by the way, was built on top of a parking garage) leased the space from Fred Meyer. When Freddy's remodeled their store, the lease was terminated and thus BK shut down.

Underneath the BK was Freddy's ground parking lot.

But in reality...this isn't that bad of an idea. It shows that these kind of developments are actually exclusive of transit - and this area is actually well served by multiple bus routes (1 Vermont, 12 Barbur, 39 Lewis & Clark, 65 Marquam Hill, 94 Sherwood Express). And the Barbur & Bertha bus stop is a very well used transfer point.

JK: Because it's really not about the transit or improving traffic congestion - it's all about the development. You know, improving "blighted" areas. (I know your questions were rhetorical.) ;-)

Barbur Planning is just like SoWhat's.

Back in the early-mid 1990's free enterprise wanted to develop SoWhat. But the uber Planners gave out the strong hint that "let us help you". Naturally free enterprise waited for the taxpayer dollars. That is happening with Barbur. Stick out the carrot and developments like around Fred Meyer will lay fallow for years, maybe decades waiting for the tax dollar subsidies, tax write-offs, free planning.

This fallow period could be argued as a creator of blight. How convenient. Now the Planners can call in urban renewal. A vicious circle. And citizens are getting it. You'd think all the PSU and CoP Planners would get it. Well, maybe they do, this circle is their job generator.

I spent three years walking home from St. Clare's elementary school to Tailor's Frwy along Barbur Blvd. That street is an utter Sh__hole. Most of it doesn't even have sidewalks. My folks today can't believe they let us walk it as kids (they were working class and couldn't get off work to pick us up). I don't support abusing state laws and depriving social services for vanity projects (ala Lincoln UR district), or poorly conceived transit systems like our slower then crap insanely overpriced surface light rail system, and I absolutely despise our practice of often handing cash to rich private developers, but I freaking hate that street. You're completely right Jack that the city presents a "good or great" scenario in favor of their preferred scenario, but can you blame them? The existing system is utter sh.t.

I'm not against pedestrian improvements on Barbur. But that's not what this is about. It's all about the apartments.

No, I understand that Jack. I didn't mean to imply that you were against pedestrian improvements. I just mean the street is awful. God awful. But I would point out that there is nothing wrong with apartments per se. What is wrong is handing cash to developers to build apartments. If the city simply changes zoning laws so private developers can build apartments buildings then fine. If they ride transit then so what? Zoning laws are ridiculous anyways, more often then not abused by rich folks to protect secure their abodes rather then serving any real public purpose. What is also wrong is building expensive vanity transit at the expense of transit that works. But then, you're the only one in Portland beating that horse. Strange considering how progressive the town fancies itself.

"Zoning laws are ridiculous anyways, more often then not abused by rich folks to protect secure their abodes rather then serving any real public purpose."

Shadrack, seriously?

Shadrach, without doing any zone change, urban renewal, light rail, or whatever, your (and my) concern about having adequate sidewalks from Capital Hill Grade School and St. Clare could easily be resolved by using the $130,000 used to build the bio-swale in front of the two schools. Besides the bio-swale built at the top of all surrounding grades thus having do benefit, five parking/drop-off spaces were lost for the schools.

This the kind of answers to minor but to us major livability issues. And Sam and the Planners don't see it. They are here mostly to keep their jobs and provide projects for developers.

Exactly, Lee. And while on the subject, how about that $800,000.00 about to be spent in Hillsdale for a two block long sidewalk when there's already a pedestrian walkway with a width exceeding most walkways along any street in Portland? Now that's a gem of public money use, huh?

2012 May 10 Thu 00:30 U (12:30 AM PT)

I guess Metro and TriMet want a repeat of possible leaning buildings
from the South Waterfront District (SWD) in Burlingame. If they
both care to check the Geology (GMS-59) and Relative Earthquake
Hazard (GMS-91) for the Lake Oswego Quadrangle they might
perceive the Oatfield Terwilliger Fault line two blocks to south of this
image. A geology report on the fill in this area (ravine) might also be
a good idea.

Oregon Department of Geology and Mineral Industries has
wonderful and colorful maps at:

Cost for GMS-59 = $7 and GMS-91 =$10. Or TriMet and Metro
planners and politicians can walk a couple of blocks in a sustainable
manner to the State of Oregon Building, 800 NE Oregon Street.

TriMet might also want to check the same maps in the vicinity of
Oregon Hwy 43 / Breyman Avenue and ask the following dumb
“Is it worth lining the Elk Rock Tunnel for an estimate of $55,000?
to preserve the utility of the Willamette Shore Line.”

The City of Lake Oswego Citizen Budget Committee for 2012-2013
might also want to ask this question as well plus is it worth being a
member of the Willamette Shore Line Consortium in 2012 – 2013
and beyond.

Not to forget unanswered questions from 2011 April
“What is the east wall thickness of the Elk Rock Tunnel and can it
survive a subduction event without the collapse of OR Hwy 43
into the Willamette River about 200 ft below?”

Charles Ormsby (Skip)
Sentinel Birdshill area
(Clackamas County/Dunthorpe/NE Lake Oswego)

"Commited to creating urban communities for vibrant living"

"We are WDD. Welcome to the vision."

From Williams & Dame Development

I see cars in the "after " image! Where are they supposed to park?

Seems like an awfully white neighborhood in the "after" photo.

Sammyboy definitely knows how to put together a bias, distorted survey. How could anybody suggest a picture of a light truck next to a small rundown building be considered incremental development? Yet, that’s just what the picture suggests. It’s no wonder why city manipulated surveys have become such a farce when they are designed to merely prop up a preconceived special interest agenda. Barbur Boulevard is the business alternate highway route to I-5 and should remain that way. It is not the place for another full-sized toy train.

"I love the way the telephone poles have magically disappeared." The trees are still there though in the back ground.

The trees are still there though in the back ground.

That illustration just helps to sell the project!
Once it gets the green light,
those trees will be removed for more infill and smart growth!

The pictures are not of Barbur. They are of Bertha, near Barbur.

Correction: Pictures are of SW 13th Ave, between Bertha and Barbur.


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