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Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Reader poll: Is the O worth a nickel a day?

Wow, they're getting pretty desperate at the O. Now we've been offered a whole year of their paper for just 20 bucks. That's just a five cents a day for the dead-tree version of the local Newhouse goodness. We haven't seen that price since the Newark Evening News in 1964. And with all that news pulp lying around, we can line our sacred Portland slop bucket and compost cart to our heart's content.

Not to mention valuable coupons!

This town can't afford to have its daily newspaper go down, but then again, we can't imagine that our measly Jackson would make much of a difference. So -- should we go for it?

Should we buy a year's subscription to the O for $19.99? free polls 

Comments (27)

Yes. You'll have something to line the compost bin with now. Heck I might get it so I can put it down in the chicken coop.

I'd probably still pass. That's $20 bucks you have to pay to deal with wet papers and plastic bags every day. You can get WW for free to line the slop bucket.

I voted "no", but then I wondered if you have a fire place...always good to have fire starter! And there is always the slop bucket usage can I revise my "no" vote to a "maybe"?

Where did you find this offer? I'm paying a lot for this incredibly shrinking newspaper and would love to cut my bill to $19.99.

The Oregonian could probably save itself if it took a lesson from the way this blog is run. Of course, the lesson would result in a wholesale personnel change at the big O and I can't see that happening.

I have not called ...yet.

But I will wager this "offer" is only open to NON or FORMER SUBSCRIBERS, not current subscribers.

The "O" (like many others) prefer new customers to current customers. So if you want this deal, you must become a "FORMER" customer. Which seems counter intuitive.

So sign me up to be a "former" subscriber. I'll take my chances when I'm gone long enough to qualify.

This town could totally afford for the O to go under. Maybe in the vacuum left behind someone would do it better. Doesn't need to waste time doing the whole dead tree thing either. Use that money for great reporters and writers instead of overhead.

But I could actually imagine a online-only/iPad/ebook news publication, if it had compelling enough content, eventually becoming successful enough to start offering a paper version. Maybe a weekly news magazine format, at least.

It's more than the trees what's dead.

No. That anti-muslim hate DVD was the last straw for me. Anyhow, they're just printing business association press releases and calling it news. Waiting for local government finances to be officially declared a train wreck and their inevitable, "Gosh! Who could have foreseen this?" and blame-the-workers articles on it.

Think I'll pass.

The number gives you a perpetual busy signal.

Two questions:

1. Doesn't it cost more than 5 cents to print each daily unit of the paper and deliver it?

2. Should that lady in the ad really be smiling in light of the desperation of this deal?

Did you notice that this offer was for something like Sun - Tues, not seven days?

I voted yes.

As bad as it is, it is still better than no news.

The Internet can't do everything, even though we sometimes think it can.

Internet news sites, emails, social sites, and blogs can only reveal what the various reporters and citizens have discovered. Without that human element, we'd be left with old news and personal experiences.

Could the Oregonian be better? Absolutely.

Is WW really free? Only as long as the advertisers keep supporting it.

Subscribers only cover a small portion of the costs. Without advertisers or a benefactor, printed papers will eventually disappear. Look what happened to the Portland Tribune after Pamplin reduced the money flow.

OK to resume the usual snark...

Mike - why would there be 'no news?'

The Internet 'can't do everything?' What does that even mean?

I just wonder if it wouldn't make more economic sense to just cease the print version and charge $20 a year to access the online version.

It's actually only for Tuesdays and Sundays (the coupon days). Designed to make the advertisers happy, I am sure. I thought about it for a minute last night but ultimately tossed it in the circular file.

I voted no. I get my news my way. I try to find sources that are fair as I see it (from all sides of an issue) but that are open about their slant. I find that just like the people who crow about their lack of prejudice, the sources that advertises their "integrity" seem to be deficient in that very quality. If just once, the O wasn't so predictable about their editorial stance, or maybe strayed from the local bigwigs P.O.V., I'd consider it. They are either bought and paid for, or have learned to use CNTL C and CNTL V far too often. (With the possible exceptions of Maxine Bernstein, and maybe the intrepid reporter who wrote the article on the Water Bureau recently)

Besides, I quit the O because they either never got it here before I went to work, or my neighbor got it before I did.

The coupons would enable you to make your money back + some more.

I don't call it the Whoregonian for nothing

I received that offer today. It is for Sunday and Tuesday. Probably the days with the most advertising. I sometimes visit, but will never again pay for it. It is controlled by the GOP and the Pope and I don't want to reward them for being evil.

NO! I ordered the Oregonian three months ago. In three months I have gotten maybe a dozen papers. If you miss a paper, good luck getting anyone on the phone. My subscription came up and I felt like I was paying for something they couldn't even deliver to me, and their customer service sucks. Goodbye, I am getting my news on Oregonlive for free.

Looks like the people at the Boregonian are getting desperate. Here in Reno we have a Gannett newspaper, the Reno Gazette-Journal and although it has a lower page count than the "O" it has far more local news, decent customer service, and it gets delivered early in the AM - usually before 4:00 A.M. Best of all they don't devote much space to eco/greenie/recycling propoganda.

I subscribe just so I don't get the free paper they throw out on everyone's lawns on Mondays. But now they're so screwed up I get that one too. When you try to call? Phone is perpetually busy. I was out of the country for a month and specifically called to say HOLD MY PAPER and stop throwing that free crap on my lawn so that it's not obvious I'm not at home. Came home to a front lawn littered with those free papers. Seriously pissing me off.

The following is a letter I just sent to publisher Anderson:

For over 20 years I have been a loyal subscriber to the Oregonian. Unfortunately, the paper was not delivered the last two days. After waiting for over 10 minutes to speak with someone in your so-called customer service department, I was told that my service was stopped for non-payment.

Attached is a copy of my most recent statement. As you can see, I was clearly told that one payment option was for “8 weeks through 3/22/2012.” Furthermore, I was told that delivery would not be restarted until I made a payment.

Since I do not pay in advance for service which may not be provided, I had planned to make an online payment through my bank on March 30, 2012. In light of the action taken by your circulation department, I have canceled that payment and reluctantly canceled my subscription.

If you would like to reinstate my subscription, I will be pleased to bring my account current, less $1.00 for each paper not delivered.

In spite of its flaws, I for one think we're lucky to have the Oregonian. The newspapers in Seattle and San Francisco are total jokes. The Oregonian in my opinion is the best newspaper west of Chicago and north of Los Angeles. But if they don't fix their customer service soon, it's not long for the world.

One word answer: No.


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