Yesterday, on our post about the City of Portland's outrageous $60 parking zone "Gotcha," we got this comment from a poster calling himself or herself "PdxBug":
Jack, These zones have been in place and enforced this way for many years. The reader who sent this in is just upset they got caught. Where on a red light does it say to "stop"?
When you check the IP address from which that comment was posted, you get:
Assuming this person was only reading the blog for three minutes, I'd agree. And if knock off time is 5:00.
The crime isnt in the posting, it the waste of time leading up to the post which would cause a stir.
I read this blog many times during the day, none of them in the eight hours that I sell my time to my employer.
It seems either the poster speed read the post and waited to reply until it was appropriate, had been doing opposition homework by direction of a superior, or lacks a work ethic and was killing time until time to go home.
And if this person had time to kill, how many others do too?
It's actually a good thing that city employees are reading this blog, and it should be required reading at work for all. Maybe eventually enough of them would get a clue.
As for that parking ticket, it was an anti-social act enforcing that 1970's-ish ordinance like that. Mean and stupid is a bad combination.
Writing from the perspective of a City of Portland current employee (on his regular day off) I agree that the part of the ordinance about not returning for 12 hours is horrible policy and is just wrong.
pdxbug isn't hearing the outrage from all of us who didn't get "caught" but live here and think that it is a terrible bit of law.
But who really did this? The City Council passed this Ordinance. They almost certainly had staff of their choosing work it up.
When Sam is replaced nearly all of his disciples in mid to upper management in Dept of Transportation and in Planning will still be there, continuing business as usual.
If you want things to really change the next elected officials will need to have to be very assertive with the Bureaus management to change their thinking.
Who is that next elected person?
I'm thinking we need a rebellion aka Clackamas county where we do a few things by refferendum - direct vote.
Who will lead that? I don't have the skills - time.
The ultimate address of this computer is the City's Bureau of Tech Services (BTS). This bureau essentially "owns" virtually all of the computers of the City's tech equipment so the physical address is the same as the addess for BTS. It would be interesting to submit a
Public information request to BTS simply requesting the actual site location of the computer used to post the City's Finger to the People. Then we could give a name, a bureau, a Commissioner in charge of the bureau, to the posting as well as determine the working hours of the poster by which to properly assess the propriety of some City bureacrat posting the comment from a City work location.
The red light itself says "Stop." That's what a red light is. If you have taken a driver's license test, that is, if you have a license, you know this. Poor analogy. Nowhere on the signage does it indicate you may not return for 12 hours.
Back when I lived in Portland, a good friend was an assistant manager at Powell's. Since this was back at the bare beginnings of the dotcom boom, Powell's was just starting to move into a Web presence (at this point, most of its orders were still made over the phone, and my ex worked for a year in the phone cage), and some of the employees were allowed access off the clock to Websurf. This friend made the mistake of aggravating some Cat Piss Man on a Usenet newsgroup, and said Cat Piss Man proceeded to track him down via IP address. Although that friend never listed himself as a Powell's employee in any of his postings, nor did the subject of the discussion have anything to do with Powell's business, he was fired for violating an Internet policy that didn't exist at that time.
Now that's where this will be interesting, because most venues have some sort of Internet use policy by now. I'll bet $10 that the City of Portland would only come down on him if he were saying anything negative about the current regime. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this blog has a whole slew of CoP readers, who keep notes as to who writes what and when, and they know and protect their own. Considering the number of whois queries I get about my own Web site, usually right after commenting here, I'd bet on that, too.
Well, Randy Leonard used to be a regular/frequent commenter, and he's posted enough here in the past year or so that I'm quite certain he's a frequent reader.
When Sam is replaced nearly all of his disciples in mid to upper management in Dept of Transportation and in Planning will still be there, continuing business as usual.
According to yesterday's O, the legislature is proposing to eliminate 300 or so middle-management and PR jobs from state government.
I couldn't find a privacy policy. As an Adsense publisher he should have one posted.
AdSense publishers must have and abide by a privacy policy that discloses that third parties may be placing and reading cookies on your users' browsers, or using web beacons to collect information as a result of ad serving on your website.
If you visit this site, I will do whatever the hell I want with the fact that you were here. My site might put cookies on your computer. It's not my personal doing, and if you don't like it, don't visit.
DJD, as far as I'm concerned, that's fine. I actually trust Jack to do the right thing. In this case, he's not outing people for grins and giggles, but instead to point out that an awful lot of city propaganda being spewed here is coming from people who want to hide that affiliation. In that way, Jack is doing a public service. In a way, it's just like revealing that the film critic suddenly quoted in movie ads is nothing but a creation of the movie's publicity crew, because it's preventing us from buying a toxic product.
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Comments (24)
I'm sure PdxBug composed the message on his/her two hour lunch hour.
Posted by ron | February 3, 2012 8:05 AM
weird, i could have sworn city of PDX employees got a paid holiday on Groundhog Day...
Posted by ethan | February 3, 2012 8:11 AM
Be fair - the guy posted at 5:03.
Using a city PC to reply to a blog post after-hours doesn't seem like a very heinous offense.
Posted by Random | February 3, 2012 8:12 AM
LOL. PdxBug just posted again to the thread at 8:06.
Posted by Random | February 3, 2012 8:15 AM
Assuming this person was only reading the blog for three minutes, I'd agree. And if knock off time is 5:00.
The crime isnt in the posting, it the waste of time leading up to the post which would cause a stir.
I read this blog many times during the day, none of them in the eight hours that I sell my time to my employer.
It seems either the poster speed read the post and waited to reply until it was appropriate, had been doing opposition homework by direction of a superior, or lacks a work ethic and was killing time until time to go home.
And if this person had time to kill, how many others do too?
Posted by Roy | February 3, 2012 8:21 AM
Reading, or posting, on "company time" doesn't bother me to much. The "finger" does.
Posted by David E Gilmore | February 3, 2012 8:29 AM
It's actually a good thing that city employees are reading this blog, and it should be required reading at work for all. Maybe eventually enough of them would get a clue.
As for that parking ticket, it was an anti-social act enforcing that 1970's-ish ordinance like that. Mean and stupid is a bad combination.
Posted by Mojo | February 3, 2012 8:49 AM
Writing from the perspective of a City of Portland current employee (on his regular day off) I agree that the part of the ordinance about not returning for 12 hours is horrible policy and is just wrong.
pdxbug isn't hearing the outrage from all of us who didn't get "caught" but live here and think that it is a terrible bit of law.
But who really did this? The City Council passed this Ordinance. They almost certainly had staff of their choosing work it up.
When Sam is replaced nearly all of his disciples in mid to upper management in Dept of Transportation and in Planning will still be there, continuing business as usual.
If you want things to really change the next elected officials will need to have to be very assertive with the Bureaus management to change their thinking.
Who is that next elected person?
I'm thinking we need a rebellion aka Clackamas county where we do a few things by refferendum - direct vote.
Who will lead that? I don't have the skills - time.
Posted by geneb | February 3, 2012 9:09 AM
The ultimate address of this computer is the City's Bureau of Tech Services (BTS). This bureau essentially "owns" virtually all of the computers of the City's tech equipment so the physical address is the same as the addess for BTS. It would be interesting to submit a
Public information request to BTS simply requesting the actual site location of the computer used to post the City's Finger to the People. Then we could give a name, a bureau, a Commissioner in charge of the bureau, to the posting as well as determine the working hours of the poster by which to properly assess the propriety of some City bureacrat posting the comment from a City work location.
Posted by X-Portlander | February 3, 2012 9:37 AM
"Where on a red light does it say to "stop"?"
Where does it say you can take property taxes from schools to give to developer's per URDs?
Where does it say you can raise water rates 50% in 3 years and do nothing in return?
Where does it say we have so-many CoP employees with so much time to read blogs and reply?
Posted by Steve | February 3, 2012 9:38 AM
Where on a red light does it say to "stop"?
The red light itself says "Stop." That's what a red light is. If you have taken a driver's license test, that is, if you have a license, you know this. Poor analogy. Nowhere on the signage does it indicate you may not return for 12 hours.
Posted by Dave J.. | February 3, 2012 10:13 AM
Where's the outrage that PdxBug is using a citizen/taxpayer owned computer, whether he/she is off the clock or on?
Posted by lw | February 3, 2012 10:26 AM
Back when I lived in Portland, a good friend was an assistant manager at Powell's. Since this was back at the bare beginnings of the dotcom boom, Powell's was just starting to move into a Web presence (at this point, most of its orders were still made over the phone, and my ex worked for a year in the phone cage), and some of the employees were allowed access off the clock to Websurf. This friend made the mistake of aggravating some Cat Piss Man on a Usenet newsgroup, and said Cat Piss Man proceeded to track him down via IP address. Although that friend never listed himself as a Powell's employee in any of his postings, nor did the subject of the discussion have anything to do with Powell's business, he was fired for violating an Internet policy that didn't exist at that time.
Now that's where this will be interesting, because most venues have some sort of Internet use policy by now. I'll bet $10 that the City of Portland would only come down on him if he were saying anything negative about the current regime. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this blog has a whole slew of CoP readers, who keep notes as to who writes what and when, and they know and protect their own. Considering the number of whois queries I get about my own Web site, usually right after commenting here, I'd bet on that, too.
Posted by Texas Triffid Ranch | February 3, 2012 10:41 AM
No privacy policy here, eh?
Posted by Chilled | February 3, 2012 10:55 AM
Well, Randy Leonard used to be a regular/frequent commenter, and he's posted enough here in the past year or so that I'm quite certain he's a frequent reader.
Posted by Dave J.. | February 3, 2012 11:10 AM
When Sam is replaced nearly all of his disciples in mid to upper management in Dept of Transportation and in Planning will still be there, continuing business as usual.
According to yesterday's O, the legislature is proposing to eliminate 300 or so middle-management and PR jobs from state government.
Be nice if CoPo followed suit.
Posted by Max | February 3, 2012 11:31 AM
Reading, or posting, on "company time" doesn't bother me to much. The "finger" does.
I agree - especially when they charge you to give it to you.
Posted by cc | February 3, 2012 2:27 PM
Texas Triffid Ranch, those whois queries very well could be the author of this blog or some of the companies he deal with.
When you use bojack.org these companies (at least) are tracking you:
Google Analytics
Google+
AddThis
Blogads
SiteMeter
Clicky
Vibrant Medi
Tynt Tracer
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Posted by DJD | February 3, 2012 5:33 PM
I couldn't find a privacy policy. As an Adsense publisher he should have one posted.
AdSense publishers must have and abide by a privacy policy that discloses that third parties may be placing and reading cookies on your users' browsers, or using web beacons to collect information as a result of ad serving on your website.
Posted by Aaron | February 3, 2012 7:12 PM
DJD: Correct, but - they can be blocked; Google Analytics and +1 are the two I've not yet got around to; the others are blocked.
Posted by Max | February 3, 2012 8:30 PM
Here's my privacy policy:
If you visit this site, I will do whatever the hell I want with the fact that you were here. My site might put cookies on your computer. It's not my personal doing, and if you don't like it, don't visit.
Posted by Jack Bog | February 3, 2012 10:43 PM
Muahahah. This whole thing makes me laugh. Love it when people's underpants get all bunched up.
Privacy on the internet is just a fantasy. Get used to it or don't use it. I find that sad but that's the reality.
Hey Jack you can post my info anytime. It'll be like NetType: Parent's Basement. OrgType: Loser. Or so I imagine.
Still chuckling.
Posted by Jo | February 4, 2012 3:11 AM
DJD, as far as I'm concerned, that's fine. I actually trust Jack to do the right thing. In this case, he's not outing people for grins and giggles, but instead to point out that an awful lot of city propaganda being spewed here is coming from people who want to hide that affiliation. In that way, Jack is doing a public service. In a way, it's just like revealing that the film critic suddenly quoted in movie ads is nothing but a creation of the movie's publicity crew, because it's preventing us from buying a toxic product.
Posted by Texas Triffid Ranch | February 4, 2012 11:49 AM
I'm less worried about a government employee making a comments of their own here than one who has been directed to come and post the Party line.
Posted by tankfixer | February 4, 2012 5:21 PM