City closes eyes, jumps into "sustainability center"
The utterly quixotic Oregon Sustainability Center project -- sure to line developer and architect pockets in the name of saving the planet -- takes another step forward at the Portland Development Commission this week. The PDC board is about to authorize a contract with the city finance office for the financing of the super-green building, which is somehow supposed to function as an economically viable office building without outside power, water, or sewer.
The current liars' budget for the 130,000-square-foot miracle complex? $62 million.
Uh huh.
The PDC board is expected to say yes, even though there are many, many risks staring them in the face. No private tenants are lined up; only government agencies have shown an interest in locating in the building. Necessary state funding for construction is far from a sure thing; the site apparently has environmental cleanup problems; and rents are going to be astronomical.
Perhaps most distressingly, the PDC staff admits that the building may not actually work as intended. Here's a fascinating passage from the latest report to the board:
The Center is designed to be the first high-rise Living Building constructed in a downtown setting. There is a risk the building will not meet the Living Building Challenge as achieving this designation relies both upon technology as well as changes in tenant behavior from those of a typical office space. The project team has incorporated energy and water usage contingencies into the project design; has tenant partners who are committed to conform to these requirements; and incorporated behavior expectations into draft lease agreements under negotiation. Although the Center is being designed as a net zero energy, potable water, and wastewater over the course of a year, the Center will have back up connections to customary utilities as required by code.
Ah, those "changes in tenant behavior" -- those ought to be fun to watch. But what the heck. It's "green" and it will make some builders and designers rich. Who cares what it costs? It's only tax money. Full steam ahead!
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(yes, I'm a small, local tree farmer)
Pretty funny that only government workers will have to make those "changes in tenant behavior", since only government agencies can be coerced to locate in the building. Seems fitting.
One can only imagine those "changes in tenant behavior"...
"People working in the Oregon Sustainability Center are only allowed to urinate twice a day in the building. The third and each subsequent urination in a day will be punished by a fine of $100.
People working in the Oregon Sustainability Center are only allowed to defecate once a week in the building. The second and each subsequent defecation in a week will be punished by a fine of $250.
Tenants will be issued with the key cards required to unlock the urinals and toilets, so that usage of the facilities can be monitored."
Part of me wants to see this project go down just to see the stupified expressions of all the pols and planners when the building doesn't come together as intended. Just how do they plan to build an affordable (or safe!?) electrical grid throughout the building without using any PVC? That huge array of solar cells will generate a whole lotta of voltage on a hot sunny day, I'd be terrified of the building burning down from an electrical short if the PVC substitute doesn't insulate very well. At the very least it will keep some electricians fat and happy as the building suffers from chronic electric malfunctions.
I also have to wonder about the potential health hazards of letting the temperature climb up to 80 degrees in the summer time before any A/C kicks in (or whatever the green-equivalent of that is). Though people with high blood pressure or diabetes are probably not welcome among the green nazis, they can't legally prevent such people from working in this building. What happens if someone starts to feel a little faint from heat exhaustion? Oh right, they just plug the building into the backup utilities.
I guess besides that, the whole things sounds like a great idea with the best of intentions... what could possibly go wrong?
I get a bit weary by all this green this and that, perhaps because I spent time and efforts in really saving green before “green” was fashionable, in those years wanted environmental groups to assist, they were not forthcoming then and many are just as silent today. We have critical issues here in our city right now and where are all those folks who are so into “green” and “sustainability” or is it just the words that matter?
I wonder if the idiots who dream this stuff up actually believe it, or are they all just trying to punk us?
These press releases are so over the top they must be a self parody. Is anyone really stupid enough to think like this? Well okay, I have met people who were dumb enough to believe stuff like this, but I can't imagine that the people in charge are actually so dimwitted that they endorse this crazy crap.
"The current liars' budget for the 130,000-square-foot miracle complex? $62 million."
Or about $500/sqft for a building without a lot of amenities (like HVAC). At 5% mortgage, that means about $30/sqft. Top level product in Portland leases for $40/sqft. You do the math, we'll be supporting this for years. Because they'll never get a grade A tenant, they'll need to give it away to non-profits.
Best proof so far PDC has waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of our money.
Meanwhile, as schools and the Sellwood bridge collapse . . .
WHY SHOUD POTENTIAL PRIVATE TENANTS WORRY ABOUT PRICE TAGS? To the contrary, private tenants are lined up for the dole.
One of the prime movers of the building is GE who's own Chris Allen(Regional Manager for GE Power and Water and formerly of CH2MHILL) is pocketing Portland taxpayer dollars via the EPA LT2 rule being
falsely forced onto our Bullrun pristine drinking water ($680 million to date for design and contractor costs). GE is still positioning to garner secret developer contracts via US Department
of Energy contracts through loan guarantees subsidized by fed
tax dollars to build new (faulty) nuke reactors in the US in South Texas.
A cool $54.5 Billion is in the works. (Please disregard %50 non completion -- phew -- of nuclear plant construction paid for by
fed tax dollars). And never mind those nasty tsuamis, floods
hurricanes and tornadoes happening steadily.
GE's latest mistake (oh so minor) in design and construction
in the nuke industry? Well, take a long look at Fukushima and you will find the GE newly improved safety device called a hardened vent. According to the Mainichi Daily News from Japan, these GE hardened vents in the containmnet system failed in Mark 1, 2 and 3 Reactor which DID NOT prevent meltdown and then also in Mark Reactor 4 caused a large explosion which will also be releasing massive radiation.
Oh well, that is just past minor mistakes of the renowned GE that Mayor Sam Adams will be prancing around town and touting sustainability.
This reminds me of the time about six months into our divorce when my ex-wife realized she could max out her credit card and I would have to pay it off. Then she continued to use her debit card for months after the funds were depleted...Good times, good times.
SamRand and the current PDC chair will be sipping cocktails on the fantail when the Sustainability Center chickens come home to roost. Too bad economic sustainability wasn't part of the equation.
Gee - this whole project sounds like the current PDC Headquarters - fomerly the Media Arts Center Building - that never could find enough (suckers) tennants to fill the dump. The major difference being this project is about 8-10 times more expensive.
Judging from who keeps funding the elections that keep this stuff being buit -- anything being built -- the occupants ought to include trade unions headquarters, personal offices of PGE board members, developers, Oregon Iron Works and all the other hangers-on who populate the election campaigns of pro-goofy building schemes and debt-based financing. Someone ought to be swallowing the bitter pill, and it might as well be them.
They're "talking to" Skanska. Talk is cheap. And Umpqua Bank has "committed to" putting a branch on the first floor. Doesn't sound like there's anything close to an actual lease.
There'll probably be a Subway sandwich shop, too. Woo hoo.
Last month the Oregon legislative Ways and Means committee firmly rejected the sale of $39 million in bond funding for this project. Unless PDC has a back-up plan for finding some other source of funding, their endorsement tomorrow is not going to mean much.
I am so glad I'll be retired before my office would move into this building. the 1900 building has a lot of problems with HVAC, and it was touted as new technology when it was built. And, as it is, most City bureaus are looking at cut packages for next year's budget of 4-8 per cent - and future years don't look any better. Guess that's one way to cut employee costs!
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Comments (34)
Will they use lumber from small, local tree farmers or just FSC from big corporations and even out of state?
(yes, I'm a small, local tree farmer)
Posted by Don | October 24, 2011 5:39 PM
Maybe classes on sustainable sewing bees from Brady or metalsmith street cars from Hales? All money well spent on more PDC bonding.
Posted by Jane | October 24, 2011 5:47 PM
Pretty funny that only government workers will have to make those "changes in tenant behavior", since only government agencies can be coerced to locate in the building. Seems fitting.
One can only imagine those "changes in tenant behavior"...
"People working in the Oregon Sustainability Center are only allowed to urinate twice a day in the building. The third and each subsequent urination in a day will be punished by a fine of $100.
People working in the Oregon Sustainability Center are only allowed to defecate once a week in the building. The second and each subsequent defecation in a week will be punished by a fine of $250.
Tenants will be issued with the key cards required to unlock the urinals and toilets, so that usage of the facilities can be monitored."
Posted by Random | October 24, 2011 6:58 PM
I just pray they don't get the Kool-Aid and wastewater mixed up.
Posted by Mark Ellis | October 24, 2011 7:06 PM
If they do get the Koolaid and the waste water confused those fines are gonna add up!
Posted by Portland Native | October 24, 2011 7:43 PM
Part of me wants to see this project go down just to see the stupified expressions of all the pols and planners when the building doesn't come together as intended. Just how do they plan to build an affordable (or safe!?) electrical grid throughout the building without using any PVC? That huge array of solar cells will generate a whole lotta of voltage on a hot sunny day, I'd be terrified of the building burning down from an electrical short if the PVC substitute doesn't insulate very well. At the very least it will keep some electricians fat and happy as the building suffers from chronic electric malfunctions.
I also have to wonder about the potential health hazards of letting the temperature climb up to 80 degrees in the summer time before any A/C kicks in (or whatever the green-equivalent of that is). Though people with high blood pressure or diabetes are probably not welcome among the green nazis, they can't legally prevent such people from working in this building. What happens if someone starts to feel a little faint from heat exhaustion? Oh right, they just plug the building into the backup utilities.
I guess besides that, the whole things sounds like a great idea with the best of intentions... what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by Ryan | October 24, 2011 8:02 PM
They won't get anything mixed up, they'll drink it ALL!
Posted by paul | October 24, 2011 8:02 PM
I get a bit weary by all this green this and that, perhaps because I spent time and efforts in really saving green before “green” was fashionable, in those years wanted environmental groups to assist, they were not forthcoming then and many are just as silent today. We have critical issues here in our city right now and where are all those folks who are so into “green” and “sustainability” or is it just the words that matter?
Posted by clinamen | October 24, 2011 8:14 PM
I wonder if the idiots who dream this stuff up actually believe it, or are they all just trying to punk us?
These press releases are so over the top they must be a self parody. Is anyone really stupid enough to think like this? Well okay, I have met people who were dumb enough to believe stuff like this, but I can't imagine that the people in charge are actually so dimwitted that they endorse this crazy crap.
Posted by Andy | October 24, 2011 8:19 PM
I just hope newspapers are still around when this stupid decision comes home to roost.
Posted by reader | October 24, 2011 9:03 PM
How about PDC taking a large junk to show their buyin of the sustainability scam?
Posted by Pdxjim | October 24, 2011 9:04 PM
"The current liars' budget for the 130,000-square-foot miracle complex? $62 million."
Or about $500/sqft for a building without a lot of amenities (like HVAC). At 5% mortgage, that means about $30/sqft. Top level product in Portland leases for $40/sqft. You do the math, we'll be supporting this for years. Because they'll never get a grade A tenant, they'll need to give it away to non-profits.
Best proof so far PDC has waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of our money.
Meanwhile, as schools and the Sellwood bridge collapse . . .
Posted by Steve | October 24, 2011 9:25 PM
The Portland PR Spin Center.
Posted by clinamen | October 24, 2011 10:09 PM
If it were 2, 3 or 5 times as costly they would still be doing and saying the exact same things.
It just doesn't matter.
And since they know the building can repeately fail over many years and keep getting million to keep chasing the unicorn why not do it.
Not a single person will every face any concequences for anything while they'll get credit for the wonderful chase.
Posted by Ben | October 24, 2011 10:26 PM
Ah, those "changes in tenant behavior"....
Reminds me of this classic.
Posted by John Rettig | October 25, 2011 1:54 AM
. No private tenants are lined up
What about Skanska and Umpqua Bank?
Posted by Aaron | October 25, 2011 3:45 AM
WHY SHOUD POTENTIAL PRIVATE TENANTS WORRY ABOUT PRICE TAGS? To the contrary, private tenants are lined up for the dole.
One of the prime movers of the building is GE who's own Chris Allen(Regional Manager for GE Power and Water and formerly of CH2MHILL) is pocketing Portland taxpayer dollars via the EPA LT2 rule being
falsely forced onto our Bullrun pristine drinking water ($680 million to date for design and contractor costs). GE is still positioning to garner secret developer contracts via US Department
of Energy contracts through loan guarantees subsidized by fed
tax dollars to build new (faulty) nuke reactors in the US in South Texas.
A cool $54.5 Billion is in the works. (Please disregard %50 non completion -- phew -- of nuclear plant construction paid for by
fed tax dollars). And never mind those nasty tsuamis, floods
hurricanes and tornadoes happening steadily.
GE's latest mistake (oh so minor) in design and construction
in the nuke industry? Well, take a long look at Fukushima and you will find the GE newly improved safety device called a hardened vent. According to the Mainichi Daily News from Japan, these GE hardened vents in the containmnet system failed in Mark 1, 2 and 3 Reactor which DID NOT prevent meltdown and then also in Mark Reactor 4 caused a large explosion which will also be releasing massive radiation.
Oh well, that is just past minor mistakes of the renowned GE that Mayor Sam Adams will be prancing around town and touting sustainability.
Posted by sleuthjean | October 25, 2011 5:56 AM
This reminds me of the time about six months into our divorce when my ex-wife realized she could max out her credit card and I would have to pay it off. Then she continued to use her debit card for months after the funds were depleted...Good times, good times.
SamRand and the current PDC chair will be sipping cocktails on the fantail when the Sustainability Center chickens come home to roost. Too bad economic sustainability wasn't part of the equation.
Posted by Mister Tee | October 25, 2011 5:58 AM
Gee - this whole project sounds like the current PDC Headquarters - fomerly the Media Arts Center Building - that never could find enough (suckers) tennants to fill the dump. The major difference being this project is about 8-10 times more expensive.
Posted by Dave A. | October 25, 2011 6:26 AM
Judging from who keeps funding the elections that keep this stuff being buit -- anything being built -- the occupants ought to include trade unions headquarters, personal offices of PGE board members, developers, Oregon Iron Works and all the other hangers-on who populate the election campaigns of pro-goofy building schemes and debt-based financing. Someone ought to be swallowing the bitter pill, and it might as well be them.
Posted by Nolo | October 25, 2011 6:27 AM
If Portland's main stream media didn't need PR handouts to stay alive, we might get some in depth reporting on this stuff.
Posted by David E Gilmore | October 25, 2011 6:36 AM
"What about Skanska and Umpqua Bank?"
Tell me what rate they'll pay. Then I can tell you if they are private or taxpayer supported.
Posted by Steve | October 25, 2011 7:51 AM
They're "talking to" Skanska. Talk is cheap. And Umpqua Bank has "committed to" putting a branch on the first floor. Doesn't sound like there's anything close to an actual lease.
There'll probably be a Subway sandwich shop, too. Woo hoo.
Posted by Jack Bog | October 25, 2011 7:54 AM
Will this be Portland's "Château de Versailles"?
Posted by Mr. Grumpy | October 25, 2011 8:06 AM
Last month the Oregon legislative Ways and Means committee firmly rejected the sale of $39 million in bond funding for this project. Unless PDC has a back-up plan for finding some other source of funding, their endorsement tomorrow is not going to mean much.
Posted by John Charles | October 25, 2011 8:50 AM
How about a nice Dollar Store? Like the one in the Civic. That building has wind mills doesn't it?
Green, Sustainable, LEED, Iconic, Chinese, ...oops!
Posted by Portland Native | October 25, 2011 9:15 AM
Actually, I like the thought of Skanska "behavior modifying" in that building. But Skanska is not going to sign up. It's not that stupid.
Posted by dg | October 25, 2011 9:16 AM
John Charles, so you have a link regarding that Ways and Means action?
Posted by Tony at LaunchPad Radio | October 25, 2011 9:40 AM
Hey the ultimate sustainability is radioactive waste- it lasts forever.
Fill it up - it will probably glow green!
Posted by Ralph Woods | October 25, 2011 9:45 AM
I think Skanska is building it. So there must be a deal there.
Posted by Jon | October 25, 2011 10:10 AM
The Portland Center of Deals!
Still would like to know exactly what
the deal was when that GE rep. and Mayor Sam met and signed onto what?
Posted by clinamen | October 25, 2011 11:43 AM
If Skanska and Umpqua Bank are involved, here's the solution:
1. Umpqua Bank provides the funding.
2. Skanska builds it.
3. Both companies move in.
NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS REQUIRED. Both reap the savings from the "green" advantages; both can tout their "green" experience.
Posted by Erik H. | October 25, 2011 12:48 PM
Isn't General Electric a major partner in the Oregon Sustainability Center? GE--the world's biggest polluter and tax dodger? http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/portland_mayor_sam_adams_gener.html
Can someone please write about this tragic partnership?
Posted by Anne T. | October 25, 2011 10:28 PM
I am so glad I'll be retired before my office would move into this building. the 1900 building has a lot of problems with HVAC, and it was touted as new technology when it was built. And, as it is, most City bureaus are looking at cut packages for next year's budget of 4-8 per cent - and future years don't look any better. Guess that's one way to cut employee costs!
Posted by umpire | October 26, 2011 1:35 PM