Yes but, did the shooters recycle their shell casings?

If not, they may have an issue with violating a Green guideline.

The guns that ceasefire gets are typically old hunting weapons and revolvers. Not the sort of hardware the gang bangers are interested in. The weapons of choice for drive bys are semi-auto pistols and rifles. Nobody turns those in for a $50 gift certificate. I agree with the "enthusiasts" that it's shame to melt down antique firearms, many that belong in a museum. These aren't the same guns you can hear going off at night out on 82nd avenue.

Heck, it's not even safe for a Marine taking a walk in the countryside on the way to a state park, thanks to another trigger-happy @ssh*le.

Hiker mistakenly shot by Ore. bear hunter
SUBLIMITY, Ore. (AP) — A California member of the U.S. Marine Corps Reserves was shot and killed in Oregon after authorities say a hunter mistook him for a bear.... when an Oregon man hunting for bear with his 12-year-old grandson saw something moving in the brush and fired one shot from a .270-caliber rifle, striking Ochoa, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said.

The sheriff's office said the hunter, Gene Collier, 67, hasn't been charged and said the shooting appeared to be accidental but turned the case over to the local district attorney's office....Ochoa's family in California told police he and Raymond Westrom, 53, of Lathrop, Calif., were in Salem, Ore., to do work on a house. Ochoa was set to report back for duty on Oct. 25.

Westrom directed Marion County sheriff's deputies through the woods to Ochoa, who was still alive when deputies arrived. The deputies administered first aid, but Ochoa died at the scene

Complete article at
http://news.yahoo.com/sheriff-hiker-mistakenly-shot-ore-bear-hunter-192316549.html

What idiot hunts bear with a pop gun like a .270?

Come to think of it, Nonny Mouse, maybe grandpa is covering for grandson.

But, you'd be surprised how many folks use a .270 for elk & black bear.

From John D. "Jeff" Cooper, recognised as the father of "The Modern Technique of handgun shooting." The four basic rules of firearms safety:

1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.
2. Never point a firearm at anything that you have not decided to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you have decided to shoot.
4. Identify your target and beyond before firing.

At a minimum this shooter should be indicted for Negligent Homicide. This could go as high as Manslaughter, depending on the knowledge, training, and experience the suspect has had in his life. The higher the level of training, the greater the degree of criminal culpability involving an incident such as this.

Having been a Firearms Instructor, I winced when I heard PIO for the local police refer to this as an "accident." (Refer Rule #4.) I'm seen a good deal of Jarheads in my life, none looked like a black bear. (Perhaps some of the larger species of Great Apes, but not a bear...)

Frank - 82nd Ave has nothing to do with this conversation. When's the last time you heard of a shooting out on 82nd? I don't buy your crappy comment making East Portland your target especially since it isn't true.

If Portland stopped wasting so much of their money on pet projects and other wasteful tasks (such as the trip you pointed out) and spent a bit more on outreach, attracting jobs, etc. it would make more of a difference than any sort of restriction you could place on firearms. Us enthusiasts are not the problem.

I own NorthwestFirearms.com, which with almost 17,000 members is easily the largest 2nd Amendment community in the Northwest. To those of you discussing the tragic hiking incident, us on NWFA are on the same page. I can't believe he hasn't been charged yet.

Mike, I agree with you about 82nd, but have you seen the press reports about Mid-County lately? Say, 110th to 162nd, Divsion to Halsey. There have been half a dozen or so shooting there in the last 4 months. Considerably more than in years past.

Until this area gets real leaders who care about the community instead of fringe social engineers trying to enforce a fantasy world, nothing's going to change for the better and probably just keep getting worse and worse.

Mike -it is you who is wrong. This year alone, shooting 82 near and and Fremont, 82nd at Thompson, 84th near Madison High, 80th and Glisan. I'd say Frank knows his stuff.

Grandpa doesn't meet the criteria for negligent homicide, unless he wasn't actually bear hunting...Manslaughter would be the more likely charge.

A reasonable person going bear hunting is expected to shoot at moving object that appears to be a bear. If the victim was dressed in bear colored clothes, and was moving in ground cover or trees that disguised the height differential between a bear and a human, then it would be difficult to prove negligence.

On the other hand, if Grandpa knew there was a walking trail nearby, and the victim was dressed in orange, then negligence would be easier to prove.

Just reviewed ORS 163.118...The "bear hunting grandpa" doesn't meet the manslaughter definition either, not unless he knew it was a person (or it was a trail frequent by people), and decided to shoot anyway.

That's too bad. I guess I hold hunters and gun owners to a higher standard. Like HMLA pointed out, it's their responsibility to make sure they know their target and exactly what they're aiming at before they pull the trigger. Even if it was an animal, how do you know if the shot you're taking will produce a clean kill? Taking a shot that may only wound an animal and leave the possibility open for it to run away is just cruel.

A block from Podnah's Pit, the new restaurant of the year. . .

The hunter should not have shot unless he had
a. positively identified the target; b. made sure that there was a clear path to the target (not obscured by brush, trees, etc. which can deflect the bullet off-target); c. the animal's kill zone (heart/lung area) was clearly displayed to the hunter, allowing for a humane 1-shot kill; and d. ensuring that the area behind the target was clear and safe, in case the hunter missed or the bullet passed through.

Shooting at something dark moving through thick brush means the hunter did not follow these timeless rules. He should be held accountable.

Pdx is full of elitist who will use this tradgedy to smear hunters and shooters. This is unfortunate. Hunting has one of the lowest accident rates of outdoor sports, far lower than golf or highschool football, for example.

The .270 Winchester cartridge has a relatively small diameter bullet, but it shoots with high velocity and delivers a lot of energy to the target. With the right type of bullet, it has been used successfully (humane 1-shot kills) on medium to medium-large game since the cartridge was developed 90 years ago.

Re: The shooting near the Copper Penny. Twenty shell casings and only 2 bullets hit the car?