Take a look at the outrageous sums of money that people are sucking out of the Oregon state university system. No wonder the tuition's so high.
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Got to get through about three pages before there's anyone who is not in Athletics Department or the president's office, and than it's Dave Frohnmayer in the Law School. Kind of sums up the priorities of higher education these days.
Most if not all U-O athletic department salaries and funding are sustained by athletic department revenue, arguably even to an overflow. To imply that those salaries are paid for out of the university's general fund is really misleading. I was a bit shocked, however, to see an apparently large number of professors (?) earning more than $200K/yr. not even counting benefits?
A cursory scan with no hard statistics makes me think the state U system might be ripe for a sex discrimination lawsuit. The juicy salaries well they are going to males. You'd think they'd be smarter than that.
Many many many years ago while Frohnmayer was the State AG, OSSHE was sued in a large sex discrimination case in federal court in Oregon. Pam Abernety was the lead AAG defending the case. Funny how a woman got that job, but couldn't get paid in an OSSHE job at anywhere near what a man got paid.
Then as know,as most recently seen in the recent Wal-Mart c class action wage discrimination cases, the women got nothing but screwed.
Welcome to Nike U, except now nearly every school is Nike U.
At these so called schools, winning the game is all that matters, any game will do, but football is the most lucrative.
Nonny as I am sure you know, women attorneys are often used to defend rapists and cases such as this to make it appear as if women are OK with the defendant. Posturing and theatre. Part of why I disdain our legal system as much as I do.
I was a bit shocked, however, to see an apparently large number of professors (?) earning more than $200K/yr. not even counting benefits?
You got that exactly right. With Nike/Knight at UO and Reser at OSU, and other donors too, the athletic departments are well funded from private sources. Football and basketball are HUGE revenue generators. So those are not the problem. Garden variety assistant/associate/full professors in soc or psych or lit or whatever knocking down $200k+, plus bennies, that's where all the higher ed dollars go. Come on, what's a gig at a state university for a PhD in Sociology or English really worth these days? Not the six figures that's currently being paid. $40k to start, $80k top end, plus the bennies, and that's about it. Luckily, with for-profit schools entering the field, and on-line technology leveraging the delivery, the playing field is about to get leveled. And these guys won't know what hit them.
Two things will change, fast:
1) the obscene number of admin/overhead/staff positions
2) the pay scale of tenured (what's tenure?) profs with cheaper, better alternatives
Ivy league will always be Ivy. But the Tier 2-4 (#30-300) rank schools will change fast. Leveled!
"That athletics pay for themselves in Oregon is a myth:
They come very close to, if not past, the finish line. Your link argues only that Oregon subsidizes student athlete education, no other part of the athletic department, does it not? And an honest assessment does have to factor in (which this article does not) the extra tuition that out-of-state student athletes (ie, most of them) pay.
What is not totally calculable is how much increased athletic prowess brings in, in donations and enrollments, to the University.
It is not a simple derivative to charge the university with subsidizing athletics at the expense of taxpayers or general education, at least not at the U-of-O, which also has a far-above-average athlete academic achievement also, yes?
My favorite professor from undergrad is pulling down $45k a year plus benefits. That's alright I guess. It's never pay off any student loans but hey, no one can pay those anymore. Just wait until the banks realize this and start begging again.
"What is not totally calculable is how much increased athletic prowess brings in, in donations and enrollments, to the University."
How convenient! 'Pay me a million, we'll bring in that and more from the program I'm in. Show you the numbers? Well, er... um... we can't really calculate that... but hey, everybody just knows it's true!'
Looks like I would have just as well joined Mr. Vetter in defending Jefferson Smith. When I looked at the Oregon University System salary chart, the first number of them are all athletic department salaries, and at the U of O none of those are paid by any university or State funds. With the exception of some support for the maintenance only (not the building) of the Jacqua Center the U-O athletic department is completely self-supporting. That's a professed goal but not a reality at my alma mater, Oregon State. As a student I used to spend a lot of time arguing about and against athletic department funding also .... good luck with that.
It is at page 454 where the total compensation transitions from over 100,000 to under 100,000; excluding the extra "employer contributions" to retirement investment funds which exclude non-public employees from participating. Record 9060 - 9080 of 74849. The extra "employer contributions" needs a separate column where such employment related expense/payment must be allocated to each subject employee, and include retirees.
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Got to get through about three pages before there's anyone who is not in Athletics Department or the president's office, and than it's Dave Frohnmayer in the Law School. Kind of sums up the priorities of higher education these days.
Posted by Drewbob | September 28, 2011 2:13 PM
Most if not all U-O athletic department salaries and funding are sustained by athletic department revenue, arguably even to an overflow. To imply that those salaries are paid for out of the university's general fund is really misleading. I was a bit shocked, however, to see an apparently large number of professors (?) earning more than $200K/yr. not even counting benefits?
Posted by Sally | September 28, 2011 2:41 PM
A cursory scan with no hard statistics makes me think the state U system might be ripe for a sex discrimination lawsuit. The juicy salaries well they are going to males. You'd think they'd be smarter than that.
Posted by LucsAdvo | September 28, 2011 2:57 PM
To imply that those salaries are paid for out of the university's general fund is really misleading.
No one "implied" that, but if they did, they'd be right. That athletics pay for themselves in Oregon is a myth:
http://www.uomatters.com/2011/05/jock-box-subsidies.html
Posted by Jack Bog | September 28, 2011 3:13 PM
"myth" being the polite term for "self-serving lie"
Posted by UO Matters | September 28, 2011 3:22 PM
The latest cash cow for the financial industry is funding a college education. So the more expensive it is, the more interest they make on the loans.
And you got that bit of education for free..
Posted by Ralph Woods | September 28, 2011 3:48 PM
This pattern of waste holds true all the way to the Community College level and includes their athletic programs as well.
Posted by Abe | September 28, 2011 3:59 PM
Many many many years ago while Frohnmayer was the State AG, OSSHE was sued in a large sex discrimination case in federal court in Oregon. Pam Abernety was the lead AAG defending the case. Funny how a woman got that job, but couldn't get paid in an OSSHE job at anywhere near what a man got paid.
Then as know,as most recently seen in the recent Wal-Mart c class action wage discrimination cases, the women got nothing but screwed.
Posted by Nonny Mouse | September 28, 2011 4:53 PM
Welcome to Nike U, except now nearly every school is Nike U.
At these so called schools, winning the game is all that matters, any game will do, but football is the most lucrative.
Posted by Portland Native | September 28, 2011 6:03 PM
Nonny as I am sure you know, women attorneys are often used to defend rapists and cases such as this to make it appear as if women are OK with the defendant. Posturing and theatre. Part of why I disdain our legal system as much as I do.
Posted by LucsAdvo | September 28, 2011 6:11 PM
I was a bit shocked, however, to see an apparently large number of professors (?) earning more than $200K/yr. not even counting benefits?
You got that exactly right. With Nike/Knight at UO and Reser at OSU, and other donors too, the athletic departments are well funded from private sources. Football and basketball are HUGE revenue generators. So those are not the problem. Garden variety assistant/associate/full professors in soc or psych or lit or whatever knocking down $200k+, plus bennies, that's where all the higher ed dollars go. Come on, what's a gig at a state university for a PhD in Sociology or English really worth these days? Not the six figures that's currently being paid. $40k to start, $80k top end, plus the bennies, and that's about it. Luckily, with for-profit schools entering the field, and on-line technology leveraging the delivery, the playing field is about to get leveled. And these guys won't know what hit them.
Posted by boycat | September 28, 2011 7:08 PM
Higher Ed bubble is popping!
Two things will change, fast:
1) the obscene number of admin/overhead/staff positions
2) the pay scale of tenured (what's tenure?) profs with cheaper, better alternatives
Ivy league will always be Ivy. But the Tier 2-4 (#30-300) rank schools will change fast. Leveled!
Posted by Harry | September 28, 2011 8:18 PM
"That athletics pay for themselves in Oregon is a myth:
They come very close to, if not past, the finish line. Your link argues only that Oregon subsidizes student athlete education, no other part of the athletic department, does it not? And an honest assessment does have to factor in (which this article does not) the extra tuition that out-of-state student athletes (ie, most of them) pay.
What is not totally calculable is how much increased athletic prowess brings in, in donations and enrollments, to the University.
It is not a simple derivative to charge the university with subsidizing athletics at the expense of taxpayers or general education, at least not at the U-of-O, which also has a far-above-average athlete academic achievement also, yes?
"And these guys won't know what hit them.
Boycat, I wish I understood what you were saying.
Posted by Sally | September 28, 2011 8:19 PM
My favorite professor from undergrad is pulling down $45k a year plus benefits. That's alright I guess. It's never pay off any student loans but hey, no one can pay those anymore. Just wait until the banks realize this and start begging again.
Posted by Jo | September 28, 2011 9:16 PM
...crap I forgot they already did this. Government took over, right?
Posted by Jo | September 28, 2011 9:16 PM
And check out METRO:
http://oregoncapitolnews.com/govdocs/metro/salaries/
Holy molely! And WTF do all of those happy jacks & jills really do for all of that taxpayer dough?
Posted by Mojo | September 28, 2011 9:22 PM
K-Rice, how many lawyers does Metro need and for what?
Posted by LucsAdvo | September 28, 2011 9:45 PM
Mail bonding?
Posted by Mojo | September 28, 2011 11:34 PM
I wanna be a "policy advisor I" and make $250k a year when I grow up!
Posted by Portland Native | September 29, 2011 7:12 AM
What is more amazing is many of them see a healthy INCREASE in gross income after they retire.
That's nearly unheard of in the private sector, unless you're the CEO.
Posted by Mister Tee | September 29, 2011 7:26 AM
"What is not totally calculable is how much increased athletic prowess brings in, in donations and enrollments, to the University."
How convenient! 'Pay me a million, we'll bring in that and more from the program I'm in. Show you the numbers? Well, er... um... we can't really calculate that... but hey, everybody just knows it's true!'
Posted by EB | September 29, 2011 9:17 AM
Looks like I would have just as well joined Mr. Vetter in defending Jefferson Smith. When I looked at the Oregon University System salary chart, the first number of them are all athletic department salaries, and at the U of O none of those are paid by any university or State funds. With the exception of some support for the maintenance only (not the building) of the Jacqua Center the U-O athletic department is completely self-supporting. That's a professed goal but not a reality at my alma mater, Oregon State. As a student I used to spend a lot of time arguing about and against athletic department funding also .... good luck with that.
Posted by Sally | September 29, 2011 10:14 AM
It is at page 454 where the total compensation transitions from over 100,000 to under 100,000; excluding the extra "employer contributions" to retirement investment funds which exclude non-public employees from participating. Record 9060 - 9080 of 74849. The extra "employer contributions" needs a separate column where such employment related expense/payment must be allocated to each subject employee, and include retirees.
Posted by pdxnag | September 29, 2011 12:03 PM