The Don and the Beaverton mayor who loves him are getting ready to hand out public dough for more "mixed use" apartment bunker ugliness, this time at the corner of First and Lombard. Mmmmm.... apartment buildings... so green... so Oregon.
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The joke is on them. That land is worth less than $0.00 to a multi-family developer. If the city wants it developed like they are hoping, giving a developer free land is only the beginning. It will require a lot more subsidy.
"That land is worth less than $0.00 to a multi-family developer."
You need to remember that if th developer says "mixed-use" and "sustainable" and clicks his heels three times, the coffers of city hall will open and rain down untold dollars upon the project.
That's how these things get done. Mixed-use is such a con job, outside of a very select few neighborhoods, no one will want to do it without major subsidies.
Of course, we're talking Don "wanna do lunch sometime" Mazziotti here and bumpkin Doyle - So all things are possible.
Another "cookie cutter" smart growth plan?
Ought to be dubbed as "nixed use."
Why build more, they aren't coming
as far as I can see, empty storefronts and apts.
"the formation of an Eco District within the Beaverton Central District would be a great example the City could use to pursue its Citywide sustainability goals through action at a neighborhood level."
Awesome. That's right where a private developer was trying to build condos a couple years ago, and couldn't get anyone to buy them, so he gave up. I'm guessing nobody wanted to live right next to the WES crossing, and a freight train crossing. Not to mention across the street from a strip club.
Actually, in my ideal alternate universe, policy would be supporting exactly this type of thing. In the suburbs, that is, and only the suburbs -- where the neighborhoods you're wrecking aren't much to begin with.
...where the neighborhoods you're wrecking aren't much to begin with.
Question that.
I know of some neighborhoods that were much nicer to live in before this "smart growth" was pushed on them. Have you seen the new ghetto style housing put in some of the areas around the city? Many huge groves of firs and cedars were chopped down in our city for these projects, how eco was that? As I recall, there was a young girl who chained herself to a tree to try to stop the loss, shame on the adults of our community to think this was an OK plan, she evidently cared about her neighborhood as it was, not as the city envisioned it should be, I often wondered what happened to that young person who cared so much about her neighborhood and as I remember did not get much support.
Downtown Beaverton doesn't need redevelopment. It already has a downtown...that certainly needs revitalized.
How about...oh, I don't know. Attracting businesses that want to locate there and will attract people, that'll attract more businesses and more people? I mean, that's just such a novel idea... There's already PLENTY of close-in housing and even some mixed-use (those apartments on top of the building at Farmington and Watson...you know, those early 1900s mixed-use buildings that are in many towns).
The failed Beaverton Round is a percursor to the Eco/Energy District concept. It's energy plant for heating and cooling a large area around the Round has been a dismal success.
Governer Ted's program for Eco/Energy Districts is merely a means for developers to use taxpayer dollars, generally generated under urban renewal and LID's, to pay for their project's energy systems. But the rest of us get to pay for our own systems and maintenance.
The Pols and Developers are proposing the same for SoWhat. Time to stop it.
BTW, anyone else wonder what Beavertronix paid for their silly new logo (replacing the old Beaver)? It's been springing up on signs everywhere and wiping the beaver off the signs.
Is for this fiasco in the making, it certainly will add to putting the Tron out of the running for when I get out of PDX land.
This is almost a joke. . . to have Eco/Energy Districts on the table, and at the same time wrecking Hayden Island?
chopping down more Douglas Firs and Cedars for developments?
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Comments (16)
The joke is on them. That land is worth less than $0.00 to a multi-family developer. If the city wants it developed like they are hoping, giving a developer free land is only the beginning. It will require a lot more subsidy.
Posted by John | July 22, 2011 7:56 AM
"That land is worth less than $0.00 to a multi-family developer."
You need to remember that if th developer says "mixed-use" and "sustainable" and clicks his heels three times, the coffers of city hall will open and rain down untold dollars upon the project.
That's how these things get done. Mixed-use is such a con job, outside of a very select few neighborhoods, no one will want to do it without major subsidies.
Of course, we're talking Don "wanna do lunch sometime" Mazziotti here and bumpkin Doyle - So all things are possible.
Posted by Steve | July 22, 2011 8:16 AM
Another "cookie cutter" smart growth plan?
Ought to be dubbed as "nixed use."
Why build more, they aren't coming
as far as I can see, empty storefronts and apts.
Posted by clinamen | July 22, 2011 8:20 AM
More trains!...then they will come and shall develop, sayeth "The Don". And on the 7th day he rested or went golfing.
Posted by portland native | July 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Isn't this across the street from Starz? Oh, yeah, this is going to work out well...
Posted by zonedar | July 22, 2011 8:24 AM
You would have thought they might have learned something after "The Round at Beaverton Central" fiasco.
Mazziotti proves that nothing succeeds (with public subsidies) like failure.
Posted by Mister Tee | July 22, 2011 8:28 AM
Scary thought number 2:
http://www.beavertonoregon.gov/index.aspx?NID=658
"the formation of an Eco District within the Beaverton Central District would be a great example the City could use to pursue its Citywide sustainability goals through action at a neighborhood level."
That sucking sound is your tax dollars.
Posted by Steve | July 22, 2011 8:29 AM
I can feel the suction from 300 miles away!
Posted by portland native | July 22, 2011 8:31 AM
Awesome. That's right where a private developer was trying to build condos a couple years ago, and couldn't get anyone to buy them, so he gave up. I'm guessing nobody wanted to live right next to the WES crossing, and a freight train crossing. Not to mention across the street from a strip club.
Posted by Jon | July 22, 2011 9:47 AM
Actually, in my ideal alternate universe, policy would be supporting exactly this type of thing. In the suburbs, that is, and only the suburbs -- where the neighborhoods you're wrecking aren't much to begin with.
Posted by PG | July 22, 2011 9:49 AM
...where the neighborhoods you're wrecking aren't much to begin with.
Question that.
I know of some neighborhoods that were much nicer to live in before this "smart growth" was pushed on them. Have you seen the new ghetto style housing put in some of the areas around the city? Many huge groves of firs and cedars were chopped down in our city for these projects, how eco was that? As I recall, there was a young girl who chained herself to a tree to try to stop the loss, shame on the adults of our community to think this was an OK plan, she evidently cared about her neighborhood as it was, not as the city envisioned it should be, I often wondered what happened to that young person who cared so much about her neighborhood and as I remember did not get much support.
Posted by clinamen | July 22, 2011 10:19 AM
"Not to mention across the street from a strip club."
Don't forget, it would inclue workforce housing.
Posted by Steve | July 22, 2011 10:47 AM
Downtown Beaverton doesn't need redevelopment. It already has a downtown...that certainly needs revitalized.
How about...oh, I don't know. Attracting businesses that want to locate there and will attract people, that'll attract more businesses and more people? I mean, that's just such a novel idea... There's already PLENTY of close-in housing and even some mixed-use (those apartments on top of the building at Farmington and Watson...you know, those early 1900s mixed-use buildings that are in many towns).
Posted by Erik H. | July 22, 2011 12:48 PM
The failed Beaverton Round is a percursor to the Eco/Energy District concept. It's energy plant for heating and cooling a large area around the Round has been a dismal success.
Governer Ted's program for Eco/Energy Districts is merely a means for developers to use taxpayer dollars, generally generated under urban renewal and LID's, to pay for their project's energy systems. But the rest of us get to pay for our own systems and maintenance.
The Pols and Developers are proposing the same for SoWhat. Time to stop it.
Posted by Lee | July 22, 2011 1:47 PM
BTW, anyone else wonder what Beavertronix paid for their silly new logo (replacing the old Beaver)? It's been springing up on signs everywhere and wiping the beaver off the signs.
Is for this fiasco in the making, it certainly will add to putting the Tron out of the running for when I get out of PDX land.
Posted by LucsAdvo | July 22, 2011 3:20 PM
This is almost a joke. . . to have Eco/Energy Districts on the table, and at the same time wrecking Hayden Island?
chopping down more Douglas Firs and Cedars for developments?
Posted by clinamen | July 23, 2011 11:52 PM