Detail, east Portland photo, courtesy Miles Hochstein / Portland Ground.



For old times' sake
The bojack bumper sticker -- only $1.50!

To order, click here.







Excellent tunes -- free! And on your browser right now. Just click on Radio Bojack!






E-mail us here.

About

This page contains a single entry from the blog posted on April 27, 2011 2:22 PM. The previous post in this blog was Is LaMarcus Aldridge too tired?. The next post in this blog is A little quake near Mt. St. Helens. Many more can be found on the main index page or by looking through the archives.

Archives

Links

Law and Taxation
How Appealing
TaxProf Blog
Mauled Again
Tax Appellate Blog
A Taxing Matter
TaxVox
Tax.com
Josh Marquis
Native America, Discovered and Conquered
The Yin Blog
Ernie the Attorney
Conglomerate
Above the Law
The Volokh Conspiracy
Going Concern
Bag and Baggage
Wealth Strategies Journal
Jim Hamilton's World of Securities Regulation
myCorporateResource.com
World of Work
The Faculty Lounge
Lowering the Bar
OrCon Law

Hap'nin' Guys
Tony Pierce
Parkway Rest Stop
Utterly Boring.com
Along the Gradyent
Dwight Jaynes
Bob Borden
Dingleberry Gazette
The Red Electric
Iced Borscht
Jeremy Blachman
Dean's Rhetorical Flourish
Straight White Guy
HinesSight
Onfocus
Jalpuna
Beerdrinker.org
As Time Goes By
Dave Wagner
Jeff Selis
Alas, a Blog
Scott Hendison
Sansego
The View Through the Windshield
Appliance Blog
The Bleat

Hap'nin' Gals
My Whim is Law
Lelo in Nopo
Attorney at Large
Linda Kruschke
The Non-Consumer Advocate
10 Steps to Finding Your Happy Place
A Pig of Success
Attorney at Large
Margaret and Helen
Kimberlee Jaynes
Cornelia Seigneur
Mireio
And Sew It Goes
Mile 73
Rainy Day Thoughts
That Black Girl
Posie Gets Cozy
{AE}
Cat Eyes
Rhi in Pink
Althouse
GirlHacker
Ragwaters, Bitters, and Blue Ruin
Frytopia
Rose City Journal
Type Like the Wind

Portland and Oregon
Isaac Laquedem
StumptownBlogger
Rantings of a [Censored] Bus Driver
Jeff Mapes
Vintage Portland
The Portlander
South Waterfront
Amanda Fritz
O City Hall Reporters
Guilty Carnivore
Old Town by Larry Norton
The Alaunt
Bend Blogs
Lost Oregon
Cafe Unknown
Tin Zeroes
David's Oregon Picayune
Mark Nelsen's Weather Blog
Travel Oregon Blog
Portland Daily Photo
Portland Building Ads
Portland Food and Drink.com
Dave Knows Portland
Idaho's Portugal
Alameda Old House History
MLK in Motion
LoveSalem

Retired from Blogging
Various Observations...
The Daily E-Mail
Saving James
Portland Freelancer
Furious Nads (b!X)
Izzle Pfaff
The Grich
Kevin Allman
AboutItAll - Oregon
Lost in the Details
Worldwide Pablo
Tales from the Stump
Whitman Boys
Misterblue
Two Pennies
This Stony Planet
1221 SW 4th
Twisty
I am a Fish
Here Today
What If...?
Superinky Fixations
Pinktalk
Mellow-Drama
The Rural Bus Route
Another Blogger
Mikeyman's Computer Treehouse
Rosenblog
Portland Housing Blog

Wonderfully Wacky
Dave Barry
Borowitz Report
Blort
Stuff White People Like
Worst of the Web

Valuable Time-Wasters
My Gallery of Jacks
Litterbox, On the Prowl
Litterbox, Bag of Bones
Litterbox, Scratch
Maukie
Ride That Donkey
Singin' Horses
Rally Monkey
Simon Swears
Strong Bad's E-mail

Oregon News
KGW-TV
The Oregonian
Portland Tribune
KOIN
Willamette Week
KATU
The Sentinel
Southeast Examiner
Northwest Examiner
Sellwood Bee
Mid-County Memo
Vancouver Voice
Eugene Register-Guard
OPB
Topix.net - Portland
Salem Statesman-Journal
Oregon Capitol News
Portland Business Journal
Daily Journal of Commerce
Oregon Business
KPTV
Portland Info Net
McMinnville News Register
Lake Oswego Review
The Daily Astorian
Bend Bulletin
Corvallis Gazette-Times
Roseburg News-Review
Medford Mail-Tribune
Ashland Daily Tidings
Newport News-Times
Albany Democrat-Herald
The Eugene Weekly
Portland IndyMedia
The Columbian

Music-Related
The Beatles
Bruce Springsteen
Seal
Sting
Joni Mitchell
Ella Fitzgerald
Steve Earle
Joe Ely
Stevie Wonder
Lou Rawls

E-mail, Feeds, 'n' Stuff

Wednesday, April 27, 2011

Bull's eye -- no bull?

The news that Target is acting serious about putting a store on the second and third floors of the Galleria in downtown Portland is welcome. If that big-box chain does locate there, it would indicate that the city's strict DIY, keep-it-weird, buy-local, orthodox Blumenauerism is softening, at least somewhat.

It would also be great for the snooty Brooks Brothers downstairs to have to deal with more real people passing by than it already does. Remember when they were hassling the convenience store across the street?

In any event, talk is cheap, and the poor Target folks have only just begun to deal with the Portland City Hall bureaucracy. We'll believe the news when the store's open and we can shop there.

Comments (26)

I have a hard time feeling too sorry for Target. However, I do not envy anyone having to deal with the chumps on the stump downtown.

It would be so nice to have a Target to go to without having to get in the car - and stuck in traffic no mater which way I headed.

Also, that building is getting emptier by the month. It needs a decent tenant.

*matter, even

Wait until Target starts dealing with the city on parking details. It will fall apart.

Oh yeah...parking! No one is supposed to drive anymore.
Sorry Target. Just quit now, don't waist your time.

Yeah right, poor Target. Are you going to feel sorry for Walmart next? Brooks brothers does sell quality clothes if you can afford them.

"Wait until Target starts dealing with the city on parking details."

Last I looked there was a City owned parking garage right across the street. As more and more people have been moving back into city centers nationwide Target has made it a policy to locate stores there. There are Target stores I believe in downtown Chicago,Stamford CT., Minneapolis, St. Louis and several in NYC including one next to the Costco in Manhattan. They have also leased the bottom three floors in a condo bunker in downtown Seattle though that store is not open yet.

That city-owned parking garage is scheduled to be torn down for a high-rise tower.

"city's strict DIY, keep-it-weird, buy-local, orthodox Blumenauerism"

Code for - No sane retailer would move downtown unless it is one heck of a deal.

Having worked in retail for 12 years I think their biggest concern in the downtown area is going to be the street people, 'road warriors' otherwise known as street youths, and the assorted tweakers and drunks looking for a place to shoot up or piss. Parking will be close behind on the list of problems...

Somehow I doubt they will worry about parking when the building is at the intersection of the streetcar and MAX.

Besides, people with cars wont be coming downtown to shop at Target when they can just go to one of several in the suburbs, without the "downtown element", and park for free.

"As more and more people have been moving back into city centers nationwide"

May want to check the 2010 census figures on urban vs. suburban growth.

I would like a Target downtown, but I am genuinely curious about how parking will be handled. I don't see them being satisfied with the street parking and pay parking around there.

"Somehow I doubt they will worry about parking when the building is at the intersection of the streetcar and MAX."

Wow.

Let's see. Portland's city blocks are, what, 200 feet by 200 feet? That's 40,000 square feet per floor - assuming the entire floor from wall to wall is used.

Two floors, 80,000 square feet.

Typical Target is closer to 160,000 square feet, so this is going to be one tiny Target. Given that the Galleria does not have a solid wall-to-wall floor (but has a large open space in the center), that takes out a lot of space unless the interior is going to be gutted, rebuilt, with a solid floor.

Target has been in the process of renovating all of its Portland area stores with full grocery departments - is this Target going to have a full grocery? Surely Target could provide some real competition for Freddy's and Safeway, the only other downtown grocers.

It'll be interesting to see what isn't in this Target store...Fred Meyer had to come up with a new concept ("Northwest Best") for its Burnside store because it can't be a full-line store but they didn't want it to be a "Marketplace" store (which is used to describe stores without an apparel department and with abbreviated home departments).

Super Target stores are more closer to 160,000 sf.

The average Target store from Google says about 128-135,000 sf.

http://retailtrafficmag.com/retailing/analysis/big_box_giants_downsize_03302011/

The age of bigger is better to big box stores is slowly coming down.

80,000 sf is plenty of room to sell a bunch of junk nobody really needs.

The older Target stores in Beaverton don't appear to be in the range of even close to 160,000 sf on average.

That city-owned parking garage is scheduled to be torn down for a high-rise tower

HA !!! Might want to finish the one next to it first....

80,000 sf is plenty of room to sell a bunch of junk nobody really needs.

Yeah -- milk, underwear, shoes...

"May want to check the 2010 census figures on urban vs. suburban growth."

Snards,

I didn't say more people were moving into the Cities than moving into the suburbs. I merely said there has been marked increase in people moving into the cities. In fact the biggest growth areas have been in the new outer growth ring suburbs and the old inner growth ring suburbs not the inner city itself.

With the assault on government taxing ability everywhere the ability of the outer suburban areas to keep subsidizing suburban growth may be slowing. In any event the old pattern of almost growth going to suburban subdivisions seems to be slowing down. Wouldn't it be ironic if all the arguments going on in the blog involved people fondly dreaming about the 1940;s arguing with people fondly remembering the 1960's when something entirely different is going on.

"With the assault on government taxing ability everywhere the ability of the outer suburban areas to keep subsidizing suburban growth"

How can anyone around here utter such a thing when the masive subsidies for infill, TODs and grand schemes in the cites has been going on for so long?

Fortunately the gross misappropriation is running out of pots to plumder and the madness is grinding to a slower pace.

"In any event the old pattern of almost growth going to suburban subdivisions seems to be slowing down."

That explains why Washington county will be bigger than Multnomah county in about 5-10 years. Portland's already behind Hillsboro/Bvtn for job creation. It doesn't hurt that Sam/Vera were on a perennial campaign to ruin what retail is left downtown (excepting lunch carts.)

Maybe one day we'll stop hearing that threadbare "we need a strong downtown" justification for spending every development dollar downtown.

Steve:

Washington County has almost twice the amount of land than Multnomah Co...and Mult. has large unbuilt parks and a large airport and port (that take away room for residential development).

I'm not going to hold Mult. Co up as a model county -- it could be doing so much more on the growth aspect of jobs and tax structure. Just pointing out that this would need to be correlated for.

"it could be doing so much more on the growth aspect of jobs and tax structure."

It could be doing anything besides chasing guys who want to leave town and doleing out handouts to Homer, G-E and any streetcar project they can find.

Fred Meyer has plans to renovate its Stadium store at 20th & Burnside into a full one-stop shopping store. In about two years. It's about time; downtown sucks for 'generic' shopping, which I consider much more important that other types of shopping.

Washington County has almost twice the amount of land than Multnomah Co...and Mult. has large unbuilt parks and a large airport and port (that take away room for residential development).

The majority of Washington County is well removed from development as well. Timber isn't exactly a bedroom community...

Target may want to check out the street drummers and other "musicians" that block the sidewalk at the max station across from this venue. Also the parking garage stairs make for a great "modesty" stall for the female homeless to urinate, resulting in covering the sidewalk while wating for the train to pull in.

ws, you have it backwards. Nice try. Washington Co. has less than 1/2 of its total acreage in the urban growth boundary compared to Multnomah. That's the real measurement.

But it's interesting that both Washington and Clackamas Co. has much more population, building investment and economic growth than Multnomah. Something isn't working right if you believe the Planner's dreams.


Sponsors


As a lawyer/blogger, I get
to be a member of:

In Vino Veritas

Gascón, Colosal Red 2013
Cardwell Hill, Pinot Gris 2015
L'Ecole No. 41, Merlot 2013
Della Terra, Anonymus
Willamette Valley, Dijon Clone Chardonnay 2013
Wraith, Cabernet, Eidolon Estate 2012
Januik, Red 2015
Tomassi, Valpolicella, Rafaél, 2014
Sharecropper's Pinot Noir 2013
Helix, Pomatia Red Blend 2013
La Espera, Cabernet 2011
Campo Viejo, Rioja Reserva 2011
Villa Antinori, Toscana 2013
Locations, Spanish Red Wine
Locations, Argentinian Red Wine
La Antigua Clásico, Rioja 2011
Shatter, Grenache, Maury 2012
Argyle, Vintage Brut 2011
Abacela, Vintner's Blend #16 Abacela, Fiesta Tempranillo 2014
Benton Hill, Pinot Gris 2015
Primarius, Pinot Gris 2015
Januik, Merlot 2013
Napa Cellars, Cabernet 2013
J. Bookwalter, Protagonist 2012
LAN, Rioja Edicion Limitada 2011
Beaulieu, Cabernet, Rutherford 2009
Denada Cellars, Cabernet, Maipo Valley 2014
Marchigüe, Cabernet, Colchagua Valley 2013
Oberon, Cabernet 2014
Hedges, Red Mountain 2012
Balboa, Rose of Grenache 2015
Ontañón, Rioja Reserva 2015
Three Horse Ranch, Pinot Gris 2014
Archery Summit, Vireton Pinot Gris 2014
Nelms Road, Merlot 2013
Chateau Ste. Michelle, Pinot Gris 2014
Conn Creek, Cabernet, Napa 2012
Conn Creek, Cabernet, Napa 2013
Villa Maria, Sauvignon Blanc 2015
G3, Cabernet 2013
Chateau Smith, Cabernet, Washington State 2014
Abacela, Vintner's Blend #16
Willamette Valley, Rose of Pinot Noir, Whole Clusters 2015
Albero, Bobal Rose 2015
Ca' del Baio Barbaresco Valgrande 2012
Goodfellow, Reserve Pinot Gris, Clover 2014
Lugana, San Benedetto 2014
Wente, Cabernet, Charles Wetmore 2011
La Espera, Cabernet 2011
King Estate, Pinot Gris 2015
Adelsheim, Pinot Gris 2015
Trader Joe's, Pinot Gris, Willamette Valley 2015
La Vite Lucente, Toscana Red 2013
St. Francis, Cabernet, Sonoma 2013
Kendall-Jackson, Pinot Noir, California 2013
Beaulieu, Cabernet, Napa Valley 2013
Erath, Pinot Noir, Estate Selection 2012
Abbot's Table, Columbia Valley 2014
Intrinsic, Cabernet 2014
Oyster Bay, Pinot Noir 2010
Occhipinti, SP68 Bianco 2014
Layer Cake, Shiraz 2013
Desert Wind, Ruah 2011
WillaKenzie, Pinot Gris 2014
Abacela, Fiesta Tempranillo 2013
Des Amis, Rose 2014
Dunham, Trautina 2012
RoxyAnn, Claret 2012
Del Ri, Claret 2012
Stoppa, Emilia, Red 2004
Primarius, Pinot Noir 2013
Domaines Bunan, Bandol Rose 2015
Albero, Bobal Rose 2015
Deer Creek, Pinot Gris 2015
Beaulieu, Rutherford Cabernet 2013
Archery Summit, Vireton Pinot Gris 2014
King Estate, Pinot Gris, Backbone 2014
Oberon, Napa Cabernet 2013
Apaltagua, Envero Carmenere Gran Reserva 2013
Chateau des Arnauds, Cuvee des Capucins 2012
Nine Hats, Red 2013
Benziger, Cabernet, Sonoma 2012
Roxy Ann, Claret 2012
Januik, Merlot 2012
Conundrum, White 2013
St. Francis, Sonoma Cabernet 2012
Villa Antinori, Toscana 2012
Decoy, Cabernet, Sonoma 2013
Marqués de Murrieta, Reserva Rioja 2010
Kendall-Jackson, Grand Reserve Cabernet 2009
Seven Hills, Merlot 2013
Los Vascos, Grande Reserve Cabernet 2011
Abbot's Table, Columbia Valley 2014
Forlorn Hope, St. Laurent, Ost-Intrigen 2013
Upper Five, Tempranillo 2010 and 2012
The Four Graces, Pinot Gris 2015
Topsail, Syrah 2013
Jim Barry, The Lodge Hill Shiraz 2013
Robert Mondavi, Cabernet, Napa Valley 2012
Adelsheim, Pinot Gris 2014
Boomtown, Cabernet 2013
Boulay, Sauvignon Blanc 2014
Domaine de Durban Muscat 2011
Patricia Green, Estate Pinot Noir 2012
Crios, Cabernet, Mendoza 2011
WillaKenzie, Pinot Gris 2014

The Occasional Book

Peter Carey - True History of the Kelly Gang
Suzanne Collins - The Hunger Games
Amy Stewart - Girl Waits With Gun
Philip Roth - The Plot Against America
Norm Macdonald - Based on a True Story
Christopher Buckley - Boomsday
Ryan Holiday - The Obstacle is the Way
Ruth Sepetys - Between Shades of Gray
Richard Adams - Watership Down
Claire Vaye Watkins - Gold Fame Citrus
Markus Zusak - I am the Messenger
Anthony Doerr - All the Light We Cannot See
James Joyce - Dubliners
Cheryl Strayed - Torch
William Golding - Lord of the Flies
Saul Bellow - Mister Sammler's Planet
Phil Stanford - White House Call Girl
John Kaplan & Jon R. Waltz - The Trial of Jack Ruby
Kent Haruf - Eventide
David Halberstam - Summer of '49
Norman Mailer - The Naked and the Dead
Maria Dermoȗt - The Ten Thousand Things
William Faulkner - As I Lay Dying
Markus Zusak - The Book Thief
Christopher Buckley - Thank You for Smoking
William Shakespeare - Othello
Joseph Conrad - Heart of Darkness
Bill Bryson - A Short History of Nearly Everything
Cheryl Strayed - Tiny Beautiful Things
Sara Varon - Bake Sale
Stephen King - 11/22/63
Paul Goldstein - Errors and Omissions
Mark Twain - A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
Steve Martin - Born Standing Up: A Comic's Life
Beverly Cleary - A Girl from Yamhill, a Memoir
Kent Haruf - Plainsong
Hope Larson - A Wrinkle in Time, the Graphic Novel
Rudyard Kipling - Kim
Peter Ames Carlin - Bruce
Fran Cannon Slayton - When the Whistle Blows
Neil Young - Waging Heavy Peace
Mark Bego - Aretha Franklin, the Queen of Soul (2012 ed.)
Jenny Lawson - Let's Pretend This Never Happened
J.D. Salinger - Franny and Zooey
Charles Dickens - A Christmas Carol
Timothy Egan - The Big Burn
Deborah Eisenberg - Transactions in a Foreign Currency
Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five
Kathryn Lance - Pandora's Genes
Cheryl Strayed - Wild
Fyodor Dostoyevsky - The Brothers Karamazov
Jack London - The House of Pride, and Other Tales of Hawaii
Jack Walker - The Extraordinary Rendition of Vincent Dellamaria
Colum McCann - Let the Great World Spin
Niccolò Machiavelli - The Prince
Harper Lee - To Kill a Mockingbird
Emma McLaughlin & Nicola Kraus - The Nanny Diaries
Brian Selznick - The Invention of Hugo Cabret
Sharon Creech - Walk Two Moons
Keith Richards - Life
F. Sionil Jose - Dusk
Natalie Babbitt - Tuck Everlasting
Justin Halpern - S#*t My Dad Says
Mark Herrmann - The Curmudgeon's Guide to Practicing Law
Barry Glassner - The Gospel of Food
Phil Stanford - The Peyton-Allan Files
Jesse Katz - The Opposite Field
Evelyn Waugh - Brideshead Revisited
J.K. Rowling - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
David Sedaris - Holidays on Ice
Donald Miller - A Million Miles in a Thousand Years
Mitch Albom - Have a Little Faith
C.S. Lewis - The Magician's Nephew
F. Scott Fitzgerald - The Great Gatsby
William Shakespeare - A Midsummer Night's Dream
Ivan Doig - Bucking the Sun
Penda Diakité - I Lost My Tooth in Africa
Grace Lin - The Year of the Rat
Oscar Hijuelos - Mr. Ives' Christmas
Madeline L'Engle - A Wrinkle in Time
Steven Hart - The Last Three Miles
David Sedaris - Me Talk Pretty One Day
Karen Armstrong - The Spiral Staircase
Charles Larson - The Portland Murders
Adrian Wojnarowski - The Miracle of St. Anthony
William H. Colby - Long Goodbye
Steven D. Stark - Meet the Beatles
Phil Stanford - Portland Confidential
Rick Moody - Garden State
Jonathan Schwartz - All in Good Time
David Sedaris - Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim
Anthony Holden - Big Deal
Robert J. Spitzer - The Spirit of Leadership
James McManus - Positively Fifth Street
Jeff Noon - Vurt

Road Work

Miles run year to date: 62
At this date last year: 144
Total run in 2016: 155
In 2015: 271
In 2014: 401
In 2013: 257
In 2012: 129
In 2011: 113
In 2010: 125
In 2009: 67
In 2008: 28
In 2007: 113
In 2006: 100
In 2005: 149
In 2004: 204
In 2003: 269


Clicky Web Analytics