We'd call them lame, but that would be a slur on lame people.
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Ouch! (And I'll be the first to say you ain't racist to make such a critique of Obama and his administration.)

What about all the Obama supporters, what do we call them?

Rubes!!!

So is there a major foreign policy difference between Bush and Obama?

Obama owes Bush an apology...

At the risk of sounding like a Shrub fan ( something Jack knows I'm not), the military courts and the military defense lawyers (JAG folks from Navy, Marines, Air Force and Army) have done very well in the tribunals.

The JAG folks were the leaders in attacking, in the appellate courts, the military commission structure, and won each of those cases.

Give credit where it is due, and a lot of credit is due to the very professional jobs being done by the defense lawyers and the military judges.

There have been outright dismissals and outright acquittals in the Guantanamo tribunals.

The vaunted judges and juries in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, to which many terrorism cases have been steered by imaginative "creations? of venue, have not, so far as I know, dismissed or acquitted any terrorism defendant since 2001.

That statement about the Democrats' control of congress is a lie.

Por que Allan? Your bow tie needs straightening.

I am as strong an Obama critic as anyone who voted for him, but I think you have to give him a pass on this one.

There was no, absolutely no political support for a trial in the U. S. in a Civil Court. The demagaugery by the Conservatives, who proudly support the freedoms and liberties in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, who proclaim these liberties are granted by an almighty Creator simply cannot avoid exploiting fear for political advantage. The fact that their campaign is in conflict with their supposed beliefs, well, too bad, fear and power trump principles.

Besides, Obama gave approval for assination of a U. S. citizen suspected of being a terrorist. This act pales in comparison.

I figured out what's going on.

Obama is really Neil Bush who's been altered to look the way he does.

That expalins why there is little difference between GW and Obama and also why Obama has no birth cirtificate.

That statement about the Democrats' control

They had a majority, and with the seating of Franken, they even had enough votes to get something done under the insane supermajority rules. For months. What did they deliver? Half-fast private health insurance rules, nothing more. Gimme a break.

I'm the type of person who'd rather be know for being fair than being right. That said...

If Ms. Palin were to ask me, "So how's that hopey-changey thing working out for ya'?" I'd have to reply, "Not nearly as well as I'd imagined. (Sigh) But still better than if you and McCain had won."

...and also why Obama has no birth cirtificate.

Et tu, Ben? I hope that was also tongue-in-cheek. I'm often on the opposite side of things ideologically, but I've always considered you to be smarter than this birther nonsense.

Et tu, Ben? I hope that was also tongue-in-cheek. ... but I've always considered you to be smarter than this birther nonsense.
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Everybody knows that the birther nonsense is just birther nonsense. Kenya is just not factual.

But Ben has uncovered the crime of the century: "Obama is really Neil Bush who's been altered to look the way he does."

We are two years into Bush III, and nobody even knows it. After Jeb (I mean Barack) wins a second term, the third generation of Bush (Twig?) will be ready to run a Hispanic Bush. Yes We Can.

Gimme a break

Surely you've earned one. Still, hindsight about handling Congress is too easy. Kennedy's death was no surprise, but the loss of his Senate seat to a Republican was a big one. I think in the end (also with hindsight) the Democrats' "control" of Congress was a curse.

They had a majority, and with the seating of Franken, they even had enough votes to get something done under the insane supermajority rules. For months. What did they deliver?

They delivered loud and clear that they are for corporations and have essentially turned their backs on the people, might be a few left who haven't gone with the herd.

Now, what to do?

R and D essentially the same. . one might argue one party is worse than the other, but the crisis that this country is in, we need statesmen not sell outs. We need to focus on issues and what we need to do with this predicament we are in. It is not about the parties anymore. Kabuki theater about the parties works for them and those who "own" them.

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/04/04-12

Family Members of 9/11 Victims Express Profound Disappointment in Response to Announcement that Khalid Sheik Mohammed Will Be Tried on Guantanamo

WASHINGTON - April 4 - Responding to news reports that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be tried in a military commission at Guantanamo Bay, September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows released the following statement:

We are profoundly disappointed that Attorney General Holder has chosen the untested venue of military commissions on Guantanamo to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. As families of those who were murdered on that day, we have waited nearly ten years to see those who committed these savage criminal acts to be brought to justice. Military commissions have been embroiled in a series of legal challenges and we fully expect that this inadequate alternative to our well-tested federal court system will continue to delay our pursuit of justice.

We consider this to be a step backward in our hopes that justice will be served and a confirmation of our worst fears - that the shame of Guantanamo will continue. We believe in the values our nation stands for and we are proud of our system of Justice. It is our commitment to justice and the rule of law that keeps us free. By changing the rules for some, our country has succumbed to fear and prejudice and our Democracy has been demeaned in the process.
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Peaceful Tomorro­ws is an organization founded by family members of those killed on September 11th who have united to turn our grief into action for peace. By developing and advocating nonviolent options and actions in the pursuit of justice, we hope to break the cycles of violence engendered by war and terrorism. Acknowledging our common experience with all people affected by violence throughout the world, we work to create a safer and more peaceful world for everyone.

This government has no humanity left.

Sad for those families who suffered losing loved ones to be grieving again over this decision. Now they have lost their hopes in justice and as their letter states...our Democracy has been demeaned in the process.

The terrorists have won.

Et tu, Ben? I hope that was also tongue-in-cheek. ... but I've always considered you to be smarter than this birther nonsense.

I've not been a birther but ther is no getting around some of the curious problems the lefties refuse to address.

Thye certificate of live birth is not the same as Birth certificate.

Something the left only recently acknowledged in mocking Trump for mistakenly releasing only his certificate of live birth--like Obama---but they then turned silent agian after Trump released his birth certificate.

If Obama was born in Hawaii there is a Birth Certificate that has not been released.

The answer to the question "Why not?" is not another diverting question.

The lefties won't adress the other curiosities either.

Like the lack of college records, suspected receipt of foreign student aid and no one remembering Obama at key portions of his life.

Can one be curious and not a birther?
Or is that not allowed?

So Ben, I'm curious, are you one of those rare to non-existent right-wingers who's in favor of closing Guantanamo and want's all enemy combatants tried in civilian criminal courts within the U.S.? If so, I wish you had spoken up years ago, and encouraged any like-minded fellows in your political camp to do the same.

You seem to be criticising Obama here, but I'm not sure for what.

The terrorists have won.

The MOTU have won.

Our America has been continually shattered in the many years after 911.

Ben- If it talks like a birther...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

BTW, I recently had to request a copy of my birth certificate and also received my newborn granddaughter's in the mail. Both were the "short form" certificates - the original that we used to get, which was a copy of the hospital form, is no longer available. I had a copy of mine at one time - so like Trump, I could have produced it - but have since lost it, and now like Obama, could not give you anything other than what the state (or municipality) is willing or able to give me.

I'd hazard to guess that this is a product of the computer age, that the individual copies of each hospital's birth records are no longer being stored and that all records have been standardized and put into a database which generates these short forms. In addition, a good deal of the information on those original, old birth records (i.e., mother's maiden name, etc.) can be used by identity thieves, and so should not be released.

No,

You have to be kidding? You link to the same story line that falls short.

Move forward. Trump and most everyone else knows what was released.

Did you honestly think what you posted was not known?

But there's excerpts from that link that details the true problem.

"The document is a "certification of birth," The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns.""

And this

"does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate,"

According to who or what? I don't buy that,

"We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

The Governor apparently tried to get his the long form and was denied.

Obama is the president, he could cet it releaased. End of story.

If Obama's Hospital filled out Birth Certificate exists is shouyld and can be released. Depsite any State or Bureaucrat BS.

But that tired sermon on Obama's Certificate of Live Birth doesn't address his college transcripts, possible foreign aid issue or his lack of peers during important period sof his life.

I find that curious.

Why does anyone care how this guy gets electrocuted, hung, shot, or otherwise euthanized? He wants to die anyway, he's ready for that ol' Koranic paradise..

(Quran 52:24 "Round about them will serve, devoted to them, young male servants, handsome as Pearls well-guarded."
Or:
Quran 76:19 "And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.")

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/05/the-top-five-campaign-promises-obama-left-behind/

President Obama’s top 5 broken campaign promises

1. Health care for all
2. Close Guantanamo
3. Defend labor rights
4. Reform the Patriot Act
5. End the wars

(See link for details)

Lawrence, President Obama still has humanity, but unfortunately all of it goes to Egyptians and Libyans.

Ok Ben. It's all a vast, 50+ year conspiracy.