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Comments (18)
The biggest issue with using seawater as coolant, is that the salt will corrode the steel core over time. This will only be a problem far after the current issues are taken care of, because it won't allow them to restart the reactor.
I think we're well past the point of thinking this core could ever restart anyway, so pump in the seawater and keep the pile cool until you can pull the whole vessel out as one piece and inter it somewhere permanently.
Posted by MachineShedFred | March 14, 2011 7:51 AM
Keeping the pile cool until you can pull the whole vessel out is a rather long term process. look how long spent rods need to be under water. But there is likely no other alternative, and this in a tsunami prone zone.
The flawed thinking in the placement of the plants, the seawall and the confidence in that sea wall which governed the over all planning for an emergency is breathtaking, the falsification of theories guiding these decisions, overwhelming.
The quoted excerpt has an interesting word: Corium. I googled it and this is what I found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_%28nuclear_reactor%29
Posted by Lawrence | March 14, 2011 9:12 AM
As far as I can tell from reading any and all reports I can find I think that the truth is that no one knows what the heck is going on.
The buildings are severly damaged, so all of the monitoring systems and cameras etc are gone; it is WAG time.
So stay calm everyone....sarcasm alert....and trust the gubbmint to tell the truth about what is.
Excuse me I have to go and find my tin foil hat now. Oh wait....no TIN foil...I guess I will have to make do with aluminum.
But seriously, how do we the people demand the truth about this situation?
Posted by Portland Native | March 14, 2011 9:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVCWGc173ic
Posted by al m | March 14, 2011 9:22 AM
A ringing answer to the prayers of Colonel Gaddhafi and Governor Walker.
Posted by Allan L. | March 14, 2011 9:25 AM
Not to mention Bank of America.
Posted by Allan L. | March 14, 2011 9:50 AM
Can you imagine the supervisor-worker relationships in that plant right now? I bet senior management is huddled in some bunker ordering the less senior types to do this or that for the sake of the company and honor and Japan, etc...I just wonder if the point will come when the workers say, "Here's my 2-week notice effective 2 weeks ago" and book.
One radio interview was with a woman whose husband worked at the plant. He described the collapse of the roof, etc... to her. Then she said, he jumped in his car with some other workers and got the hell out.
I wonder how many workers are still there?
Posted by Bill McDonald | March 14, 2011 10:24 AM
Where are all the pro-nuke cheerleaders telling us how safe the industry is?
Posted by genop | March 14, 2011 11:28 AM
Where are all the pro-nuke cheerleaders telling us how safe the industry is?
Im not really "pro-nuke" but is it any less safe than other industrial plants?
It was a "once in 500 years" event that damaged the plant. That could happen anywhere, to any kind of industrial plant.
We should be thankful they all didnt just crumble to pieces. They were designed to handle a 7 magnitude quake, and have fared pretty well after a 9.
What if Bonneville Dam failed from an earthquake? Im sure that would be pretty bad for folks downstream as well.
Posted by Jon | March 14, 2011 12:35 PM
http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
Posted by AL M | March 14, 2011 1:02 PM
This is a good introduction to the plant and the problem and how it is being dealt with according to pre-existing plans. (This is a must read, I just copied a couple paragraphs below):
From: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
Below I reproduce a summary on the situation prepared by Dr Josef Oehmen, a research scientist at MIT, in Boston. He is a PhD Scientist, whose father has extensive experience in Germany’s nuclear industry. This was first posted by Jason Morgan earlier this evening, and he has kindly allowed me to reproduce it here. I think it is very important that this information be widely understood.
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The plant came close to a core meltdown. Here is the worst-case scenario that was avoided: If the seawater could not have been used for treatment, the operators would have continued to vent the water steam to avoid pressure buildup. The third containment would then have been completely sealed to allow the core meltdown to happen without releasing radioactive material. After the meltdown, there would have been a waiting period for the intermediate radioactive materials to decay inside the reactor, and all radioactive particles to settle on a surface inside the containment. The cooling system would have been restored eventually, and the molten core cooled to a manageable temperature. The containment would have been cleaned up on the inside. Then a messy job of removing the molten core from the containment would have begun, packing the (now solid again) fuel bit by bit into transportation containers to be shipped to processing plants. Depending on the damage, the block of the plant would then either be repaired or dismantled.
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If you want to stay informed, please forget the usual media outlets and consult the following websites:
world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Battle_to_stabilise_earthquake_reactors_1203111.html
bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/12/japan-nuclear-earthquake/
ansnuclearcafe.org/2011/03/11/media-updates-on-nuclear-power-stations-in-japan/
Posted by jimkarlock | March 14, 2011 1:21 PM
What if Bonneville Dam failed from an earthquake? Im sure that would be pretty bad for folks downstream as well.
Yes, for about a week. What we're looking at here is an exclusion zone for the next 10,000 years.
Posted by Jack Bog | March 14, 2011 1:48 PM
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/03/japan-megaquake-update.html
Posted by AL M | March 14, 2011 1:57 PM
Over 50% of the reactor core at Three Mile Island melted down. Containment was never lost. No person suffered harm.
While the news reports from Japan regarding the reactors are interesting, it's the body count from the tsunami itself that's depressing. Thousands are washing back up; the country's out of body bags, and crematoria working 24/7 can't keep up.
Posted by Max | March 14, 2011 4:00 PM
CNN and Fox News reporting explosion at unit # 2. Fox News reporting elevated radioactivity levels at town downwind. Not good.
Posted by Newleaf | March 14, 2011 4:47 PM
Three Mile Island.. No one suffered harm? WTF.. Huge increase in infant mortality, cancer.. No one harmed?
Posted by Rob | March 14, 2011 10:36 PM
Huge increase in infant mortality, cancer.. No one harmed?
JK: Got a mainstream media source for that claim?
Thanks
JK
Posted by jimkarlock | March 14, 2011 10:54 PM
All the articles I've read say that if one or more reactors does meltdown to the containment shell, they will pour concrete on it to contain it. Can anyone explain why they are not just pouring concrete on it now?
Posted by Ivan Ivanesovich | March 14, 2011 10:56 PM