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Wednesday, August 4, 2010

They haven't been the same since Efrem Zimbalist Jr. retired

Here's a wild one: The FBI is pushing Wikipedia to take down its high-quality image file of the FBI seal. Apparently the Wiki image is so clear, the G-men and -women think it might inspire counterfeiting. So it might, but to demand that the image be taken down throws a harsh spotlight on an agency that looks quite out of touch.

Comments (17)

Now that you have coerced me to download this file before its demise, am I now a criminal or are you a conspiritor? Or both?

Both I think dhughes. Clearly I was coerced as well to download that image. I'll turn states evidence before I take the fall for either of you!

Now is that the same one that is on my huge Porn collection warning me not to copy it?

They'll be coming after you and you'll be Tommy Chonged. Meanwhile, Wall Street loots the Treasury through wide-open doors as double agents hang out at garden parties with/as Senators, Congresspeople, and Administration officials. And so it goes....

Mock not Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. Consider this 'trivia":

"Son of violinist Efrem Zimbalist Sr. and opera singer Alma Gluck.

Was badly wounded during his World War II service, at Huertgen Forest.

In 1935, after accompanying his father on a concert tour of the Soviet Union, Zimbalist Jr. was enrolled by his parents in a boarding school in Kiev, while they visited western Europe. Expected to learn piano in a class of wunderkinds, he was rather handicapped, for the classes were taught in Ukrainian - - a language he did not know. He eventually ran off to Moscow, where his elder sister had been lodged with a family. After spending a bad winter in Moscow (they only had their summer clothing) he and his sister hid the last of their money in the bottom of a cold-cream jar to prevent confiscation by Russian border officials, and escaped by train to Paris.

Zimbalist was an early practitioner and proponent of Transcendental Meditation, as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, prior to his conversion to Christianity.

Named an honorary FBI agent and presented an FBI badge by Director Louis Freeh. [8 June 2009]"

The FBI was lucky to have him, even if for so brief a moment.

The problem with Zimbalist Jr. was that the show was far, very far from reality. The agents of those years were a bunch of lawyers and accountants. They were pretty much wimps. At 16, my ability to shoot a handgun at targets from a decent range exceeded that of a seasoned FBI agent who was a friend of the family.

And one of my all time favorite works of smart a**edness involved career day in high school and an FBI agent. This was the early 70s and women were not allowed to be agents. So I asked the G-Man why women could not be agents. He said it was too dangerous for women. So then I asked him who was number one on the 10 Most Wanted List (knowing full well the answer was Bernadette Dohrn). He answered correctly and I asked if she didn't do some awfully dangerous things to get her name on the list. There was a lot of laughter in the room.

Apparently the First Bunch of Idiots has a corner on the Bozo market.

Re: "The problem with Zimbalist Jr. was that the show was far, very far from reality."

LucsAdvo, "77 Sunset Strip" was also not very near reality. The FBI has always used fantasy media to embellish, even invent, its reality in the public's imagination. JE Hoover, whose fantasy life remains less widely known than it should be -- the building is still named after him, knew how important film and radio could be to the image of the FBI.

Hoover's obsession with image was deleterious to this country since it resulted in a free ride for organized crime and witch hunts against decent, creative, and patriotic American citizens. I don't recall an FBI-sanctioned TV episode about surveillance of RFK and MLK, Jr, for instance. The FBI has been slow to purge itself of the mythology of its founder.

Mr Zimbalist appears to be still functional at 92 so perhaps someone will have opportunity to ask him about his work for the FBI.

BTW, Ms Dohrn wasn't known for her gun-toting prowess; her position on the FBI's Most Wanted was primarily owing to her political inclinations. James "Whitey" Bulger, however, did murder a lot of people; but the FBI hasn't been able to locate him for a couple of decades. Recent FBI directors have attributed the Bureau's failures to its obsolete computer system, hardly a plot element for mass media.

And don't forgedt this nugget:

Whitehurst’s legacy still haunts the FBI lab
A dozen years ago he was the central figure in the exposure of fraud and incompetence in the FBI’s crime lab.

Now, with his original revelations reverberating far beyond Washington in state and local police departments, his name is rarely evoked.

Fred Whitehurst was the FBI agent with a chemistry PhD who blew the whistle on mishandled evidence and misleading testimony by fellow agents in the bureau’s once-vaunted crime lab. For this he earned the enmity of many colleagues who saw him as a rat, the loss of his job, and the praise of many others who called him a hero.

Gardiner - What were you smoking back then... Dohrn was implicated in murder and bombings....

Dohrn was indicted by feds as one of the instigators the Chicago Street riots during the '68 Democratic Convention in Chicago. And she went underground as part of the Weather Underground movement that bombed a number of building.... Just keep thinking that she wasn't dangerous... she was... And it's not necessarily a bad thing.

As for the FBI and computer systems don't get me started. The FBI are total technological morons. They have so far failed twice, starting with The Virtual Case File system, to implement their big, bad keep track of us all plans.

All they do is blow money and produce nothing (wait it sounds like they have a lot in common with the CoP). And even if they wanted to, with today's hardware, they'd choke any system they tried to implement. Where would they store all that data and what would have enough power to index and search it as it grew and grew.

LucsAdvo, what are you smoking now? Don't submit to a urine test.

But instead of micturating on Ms Dohrn, try reading:

"The Federal Bureau of Investigations removed Bernardine Dohrn from its "most wanted list" in December 1973 after a District Judge Damon J. Keith dismissed the case against the Weatherman."
"The couple [Dohrn & Ayres] turned themselves in to authorities in 1980. While some charges relating to their activities with the Weathermen were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct[27] (see COINTELPRO), Dohrn pled guilty to charges of aggravated battery and bail jumping, receiving probation.[28] She later served less than a year of jail time, after refusing to testify against ex-Weatherman Susan Rosenberg in an armed robbery case.[27] Shortly after turning themselves in, Dohrn and Ayers became legal guardians of Chesa Boudin, the son of former members of the Weather Underground, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, after they were convicted of murder for their roles in a 1981 armored car robbery.[29]."

Perhaps you have confused Ms Dohrn with Kathy Boudin?

Ms Dohrn does seem to be threatening to those of an undemocratic predilection:

"In 1991, she was hired by Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago, as an adjunct professor of law, with the title 'Clinical Associate Professor of Law'. Trienens [head of 'prestigious Chicago law firm Sidley Austin'] said he did not get her that job, although he sat on the board of trustees of Northwestern, as did Dohrn's father-in-law, who was chairman of the board until 1986, when Trienens succeeded him in that position. Robert Bennett, dean of the law school, had hired Dohrn, according to Trienens. Because Dohrn was hired as an 'adjunct', her appointment did not need to be approved by the faculty, and no vote on it was ever taken. When law school officials were asked whether or not the dean hired Dohrn or the board of trustees approved the hiring, the school issued a statement in response stating 'While many would take issue with views Ms. Dohrn espoused during the 1960s, her career at the law school is an example of a person's ability to make a difference in the legal system.'[31]

In 1994, Dohrn said of her political beliefs: 'I still see myself as a radical.'[32]

Dohrn now serves on the board of numerous human rights committees and teaches comparative law. Since 2002, she has served as Visiting Law Faculty at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. Her legal work has focused on reforming the much criticized juvenile court system in Chicago and on advocating for human rights at the international level. Dohrn is director and founder of the Children and Family Justice Center, which supports the legal needs of adolescents and their families.[33]"

Thank you for prompting us to stray from Efrem Zimbalist, Jr.

If you're going to link to the story, link to the SWEET letter that Wikipedia's General Counsel wrote to the FBI in response.

It's a shame "Golden Gate" (1994), from John Madden, who is known for other films, wasn't better because it suggests a lot about the FBI that the FBI would much prefer not to have suspected of it:

David Henry Hwang wrote the script; his purpose was definitely not to polish the FBI's image.

Gardiner.... wow, wiki is such a definitive source of information, I am flummoxed... (not in the least)... by your knowledge..... Some of us were actually alive and paying attention while all this was happening.... I have no idea where you were then.... but don't expect me to take you seriously if you cite wiki

LucAdvo, I was in the West Village in 1970, in a loft between Bank and Bethune, when the townhouse blew.

If you continue to write nonsense, don't expect anyone to take you seriously. Seriously.

Gardiner - The feeling is mutual in terms of me respecting your viewpoints. Though I would never presume to speak for how anyone else views you. While I may be as opinionated as you, I lack your arrogance.

I guess I'm just wondering how the seal and logo of a federal government bureau isn't public domain, as it's not actionable under anything even remotely close to national security, and it's design and creation was 100% funded with public tax dollars...

MachineShedFred, perhaps the FBI, being unable to suppress Wiki, is simply harassing the online encyclopedia owing to entries such as the one on its sixth and most controversial director, J Edgar Hoover, which includes:

"Late in life, and after his death, Hoover became an increasingly controversial figure. His critics have accused him of exceeding the jurisdiction of the FBI.[1] He used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders,[2] and to collect evidence using illegal methods.[3] It is because of Hoover's long and controversial reign that FBI directors are now limited to 10-year terms.[4]"

The building is still named after the miscreant:

The letter in the link provided by Matt strongly suggests that Wiki is not impressed by the FBI's intimidation.


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