I've frequented the Red & Black for years. They have good noodles. I've found them to be polite, decent, and reasonable. Quite a few grown up, mature, well-known Portlanders frequent it too.
I also don't think it was necessary to kick the cop out on principle, but I also think those that are looking for an "anarchy" straw man to bad mouth might want to examine their own values and behavior.
"Who you gonna call?" is a nonsensical criticism. It's entirely possible to expect the cops to do their job, while being critical of all the times they haven't--and asking them to keep a safe distance until they make some meaningful, public steps to address those times.
And "anarchism" isn't necessarily about "anarchy":
I dunno, his principles seem pretty loose if he waited to serve the officer coffee first. I think he was more concerned with someone praising a cop in his establishment...bad street cred with the anarchists.
Ecohuman probably remembers the restaurant that was next door to the Red & Black a few years ago. I wonder if he remembers how the Red & Black patrons behaved when that place was open.
Help help I'm being raped! Activate the phone tree!
Look there are bad actors in every profession, but the cops do something that 99% of us would never have the cojones to do and treating the force with such disrespect because of a few bad actors is reprehensible.
The fact is that this pretentious hipster only felt "comfortable" in the first place because American police forces are, by and large, reliable, dependable, and honorable in keeping our communities safe. Even for the self-righteous and short-sighted.
"It would be highly ironic if there were [vandalism incidents] because the folks who are the most upset about this are presumably those who are in support of the police," he said, "so it would be weird for them to commit crimes."
So...the people who don't support the police are the ones who commit crimes? What is he saying about his clientele?
He is admitting they fire bombed the Starbucks in their misdirected attempt to fight the "man." No matter that Red and Black has no health insurance for employees and pays like crap.
Keep Portland weird is one thing. Making us a national laughingstock is another.
"I don't think we are trying to be purists about it," Langley said. "We would prefer that there be some practical alternative to police like community forums for restorative justice, for example."
"Community forums," uh, like, you mean, like, juries dude?
Has it ever occurred to anyone other than myself that Portland might just be a designated honeypot for political extremists? Think about it... we're conveniently far away from any important Federal or military sites that I know of, have a low population density for miles around, there's no important major travel hub here, no important financial activity here, and despite the city's bigger-than-the-planet ego, really isn't all that important on the world stage, not financially, not technologically, not educationally, not really anything, except for attracting radicals and being about "dreamers".
I wouldn't be too surprised if there's more low-key surveillance going on than is obvious and things are kept just the way they are.
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Comments (14)
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Posted by Jack Bog | June 7, 2010 7:42 PM
"We would prefer that there be some practical alternative to police like community forums for restorative justice, for example."
We also like unicorns and rainbows.
Posted by Pat Malach | June 7, 2010 8:56 PM
Remember these five to a shared bedroom dwellers, vote.
Posted by Abe | June 7, 2010 9:04 PM
I've frequented the Red & Black for years. They have good noodles. I've found them to be polite, decent, and reasonable. Quite a few grown up, mature, well-known Portlanders frequent it too.
I also don't think it was necessary to kick the cop out on principle, but I also think those that are looking for an "anarchy" straw man to bad mouth might want to examine their own values and behavior.
"Who you gonna call?" is a nonsensical criticism. It's entirely possible to expect the cops to do their job, while being critical of all the times they haven't--and asking them to keep a safe distance until they make some meaningful, public steps to address those times.
And "anarchism" isn't necessarily about "anarchy":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy#Anarchism
Posted by ecohuman | June 7, 2010 11:12 PM
I dunno, his principles seem pretty loose if he waited to serve the officer coffee first. I think he was more concerned with someone praising a cop in his establishment...bad street cred with the anarchists.
Posted by Jon | June 8, 2010 6:18 AM
Ecohuman probably remembers the restaurant that was next door to the Red & Black a few years ago. I wonder if he remembers how the Red & Black patrons behaved when that place was open.
Posted by David E Gilmore | June 8, 2010 6:58 AM
Help help I'm being raped! Activate the phone tree!
Look there are bad actors in every profession, but the cops do something that 99% of us would never have the cojones to do and treating the force with such disrespect because of a few bad actors is reprehensible.
The fact is that this pretentious hipster only felt "comfortable" in the first place because American police forces are, by and large, reliable, dependable, and honorable in keeping our communities safe. Even for the self-righteous and short-sighted.
Posted by Holly Rudolph | June 8, 2010 7:08 AM
"It would be highly ironic if there were [vandalism incidents] because the folks who are the most upset about this are presumably those who are in support of the police," he said, "so it would be weird for them to commit crimes."
So...the people who don't support the police are the ones who commit crimes? What is he saying about his clientele?
Posted by Michelle | June 8, 2010 9:26 AM
Michelle
He is admitting they fire bombed the Starbucks in their misdirected attempt to fight the "man." No matter that Red and Black has no health insurance for employees and pays like crap.
Keep Portland weird is one thing. Making us a national laughingstock is another.
Posted by jj | June 8, 2010 10:12 AM
"I don't think we are trying to be purists about it," Langley said. "We would prefer that there be some practical alternative to police like community forums for restorative justice, for example."
"Community forums," uh, like, you mean, like, juries dude?
Posted by Travis | June 8, 2010 12:58 PM
Has it ever occurred to anyone other than myself that Portland might just be a designated honeypot for political extremists? Think about it... we're conveniently far away from any important Federal or military sites that I know of, have a low population density for miles around, there's no important major travel hub here, no important financial activity here, and despite the city's bigger-than-the-planet ego, really isn't all that important on the world stage, not financially, not technologically, not educationally, not really anything, except for attracting radicals and being about "dreamers".
I wouldn't be too surprised if there's more low-key surveillance going on than is obvious and things are kept just the way they are.
Posted by JC | June 8, 2010 1:27 PM
Has it ever occurred to anyone other than myself that Portland might just be a designated honeypot for political extremists?
Tell James Chasse about "extremists". Oh wait--he's dead.
Posted by the other white meat | June 8, 2010 1:42 PM
Huh? Maybe I should move to Portland. California isn't odd enough for me.
Posted by Gary Barlettano | June 8, 2010 3:13 PM
Sounds like they are asserting the right of a business owner to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
It's the same sort of thing the left was trying to tar and feather Rand Paul over for just alluding to (in theory).
Posted by PanchoPDX | June 9, 2010 12:10 PM