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Comments (51)
You mean McCain SWEARS? How could we ever elect a President who talks like we do?
Posted by John Fairplay | September 9, 2008 6:49 AM
I think I'll break an umbrella over my knee in protest to his uncivilized behavior.
Posted by David E Gilmore | September 9, 2008 7:07 AM
As far as the GOP preaching to us:
I see McCain has bounced in the polls and the pundits attribute it to the energized Christian Right, the people who want to teach Creationism and a 6,000-year-old earth in our classrooms. The pundits say that once again the Republicans are using religious fundamentalism to get power. I'm not so sure it's that simple but I occasionally get frustrated with having religion play this kind of role in our society, especially when the results have been so bad. It would be one thing if the leaders followed the basics - start with "Thou shalt not kill" - but they don't and the flock of sheep lets them get away with it, which is annoying.
Did you know it takes light 100 thousand years to cross our galaxy and we see galaxies millions of light years away? So if the earth is 6,000 years old, God or Satan would have had to place these light beams there to trick us into thinking it was much older. Why? And they aren't just beams, they show events like exploding stars that couldn't have happened within the 6,000 years. Translation: It's most likely not true.
But that's beside the point. Most people pick and choose what they want to believe like going through a religious buffet. And that's okay too. It would be nice if they looked into the roots of some of these stories - many are just recycled fables from earlier religions - but that's not the fun part. The fun part is feeling self-righteous so they proceed directly to that. And it's their right. One of the great exertions of personal power we have is the defiant right to delude ourselves. That is ours and nobody can mess with it, but the fact that humans are so gullible - so quick to buy into the hype - could be the single biggest reason our species goes extinct. We are - in a lot of ways - sheep that walk on 2 legs and it's a damn shame.
The GOP has done a tremendous job taking advantage of it. Religious types are being manipulated into supporting these psychopathic clowns like Bush and Cheney. The criminal shepherds speak and the flock of sheep goes, "Baa!" "Timetables in Iraq, bad. What? Timetables in Iraq, good? Timetables in Iraq good! Baa!"
What would Jesus do? Jesus would puke.
And now we have Sarah Palin - the perfect diversion for the Religious Right to latch onto: Don't think about torture and water-boarding. Think about Alaska and snowboarding! Don't think about our Forefathers and losing our democracy. Think about Sarah's daughter keeping her pregnancy!
If the Republicans finish off America - cause it to implode financially - which appears to be happening as we speak, there will be plenty of blame to go around. I will blame the Religious Right whose pious, self-righteous delusion and arrogance put an end to the greatest experiment in government in all of history. Of course, by then they could declare it's the End Times and finish us all off anyway, just to show us they were right.
Posted by Bill McDonald | September 9, 2008 7:16 AM
I remember not caring about this during the primaries, and I'll continue to not care now.
I think we can all agree that there is quite the distance on the anger road between swearing and launching a nuclear strike, especially since it's not like there's a big red button on the desk in the Oval Office or something.
Posted by MachineShedFred | September 9, 2008 7:16 AM
Like MachineshedFred said, I heard enough about that in the primaries. It was a smear tactic then and is one now. Has no bearing on if the guy is competent to run the country or not.
Posted by Darrin | September 9, 2008 7:46 AM
McCain's outbursts are consistent with the symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Mainstream media should be clamoring for the release of his military psychiatric records, instead of giving him a free pass because he's a war hero.
Posted by Grumpy | September 9, 2008 7:54 AM
Here we go again with the religion play.
How is it that the left imagines so much inappropriate Republican influence coming from "Christianistas".
Is it a convenient canard to use in avoiding any recognition that a majority of mainstream America just simply doesn't align with the far left that dominates the Democratic party?
It seems to be a default position the Democrats use at nearly every turn.
"Oh those wacko Christians are trying to take over and force their religion on everyone."
Posted by Ben | September 9, 2008 8:07 AM
The McCain machine has already said, "this race is not about issues", and they are doing a pretty good job of making it so at the moment.
IF the adage is true about people 'getting the government they deserve' and enough people vote for the same old thing again. We will get more war, an imploding economy, lousy education for our kids, including abstinence only for birth control, more teen pregnancy, and no health care, which are just some of the issues.
We will be lied to on a continuing basis. Just listen to 'McCain's choice' for VP. Lying is all she has done for the last 11 days in every one of her stump speeches. It gives speaking in tongues a whole new meaning.
We may also get 'McCain's choice' for president sooner than we thought possible.
Is this what we really want to happen???
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Posted by Anne Kilkenny (not the lady in Alaska, btw) | September 9, 2008 8:16 AM
Lying is all she has done for the last 11 days in every one of her stump speeches.
Now that's cute.
Whereas all the attacks on her are truthiness?
Nope. Palin speaks the truth while the left deals in gutter rumor mongering politics.
Here's the corrections.
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/
Posted by Ben | September 9, 2008 8:22 AM
No, the issue is that evangelical power brokers have convinced the flock that abortion is somehow a more relevant issue than, say, how we take care of those already on this earth. They've made it a hot-button issue because they know the actual modern GOP platform runs counter to Christianity in nearly every way.
Posted by TKrueg | September 9, 2008 8:23 AM
"I see McCain has bounced in the polls and the pundits attribute it to the energized Christian Right...."
Bill,
Latest Gallup poll shows that McCain's bounce is attributable to his opening up a 15% lead among INDEPENDENTS, not right-wing nuts like you would like to think (his numbers are unchanged among conservatives).
Nice try though.
Posted by butch | September 9, 2008 9:03 AM
I find it bizarre to hear that there are those who don't think uncontrollable anger --- anger expressed in destructive ways, ways that damage relationships --- has no bearing on fitness for the presidency. As Truman said, the job of the president is getting people to do what they don't want to do. Venting rage is not a good way to go about that.
There's a weird meme being peddled now that, somehow, a guy who keeps his cool and thinks about his options is less suited to be in the White House than a guy who regularly flies off the handle and rages at those around him.
Posted by George Seldes | September 9, 2008 9:07 AM
The religion play? When did the Religious Right get religion? The majority of Christians who support Bush don't align with their own religion. That's the scary part. They put love of Bush and Cheney ahead of love of their own pious beliefs. If Bush and Cheney water-boarded Jesus they might object - unless there was an election coming up in a couple of months.
Remember, Jesus was from the Middle East too and the children of Iraq count as much as children anywhere. You can't simply kill Iraqis because they're not in your particular sect, and then talk about how holy the Republican Party is. The 10 Commandments don't have a clause that reads "Thou Shalt Not Kill Unless They've Got Oil."
Actually, you can sell this hypocrisy and you have. The religion card? Why don't Christians start playing the Christian card by actually following their own religion. None of this would have happened. The doctrine of preemptive strikes is as far from Christianity as you can get. It's also called the Bush Doctrine and one thing we don't need is to give it to a hothead with a fiery temper.
McCain should have learned about the tragedy of war and been a bigger peacenik than Jesus was. Remember how they called Jesus the Prince of Peace? Hear anyone call Bush the President of Peace? And yet, he's a godly man so the Religious Right bought it. Disgraceful.
Posted by Bill McDonald | September 9, 2008 9:12 AM
Q: What is the difference between John McCain and a pitbull?
A: McCain's lipstick is George Bush's derriere.
Posted by Bark Munster | September 9, 2008 9:40 AM
I find it disgraceful that Bill McDonald needs to explicltly spell out to everyone here what should be clear to anyone with eyes and ears.
Posted by jimbo | September 9, 2008 9:46 AM
Bill,
Where's the proportionality?
I find it humourous that you and many libs continue to inflate the religious right to somewhere larger than your massive left wing movement.
There's no comparison unless you continually and falsly attribute all things Republican to some religious fanatasism.
Do you know any religious righties?
How do you know what Christians align with? And how do you group
them ALL into your one convenient scary caricature?
"They put love of Bush and Cheney ahead of love of their own pious beliefs."
Huh? I know many Christian republicans
who neither love Bush and Cheney or place politics ahead of their beliefs.
Who is the "they" you are talking about?
Who's simply killing Iraqis because they're not in their particular sect? The Republican Party?
"Thou Shalt Not Kill Unless They've Got Oil."
Huh?
Ok so this election is about saving the country from a hot head McCain leading our Christian army into the oblivion because they want oil?
Ok go with that.
Posted by Ben | September 9, 2008 9:53 AM
Wait...It thought Obama was a Christian too?
Posted by Jon | September 9, 2008 10:08 AM
Butch, fascinating that you assume independents can't be right wing social conservatives. If you are not in either party because you find them both lacking, you must be a progressive. Extremely flattering, Butch. I didn't know you respected the left so much.
Okay, that was some Sarah Palin sarcasm.
Seriously, Butch, if you don't believe the Palin pick has energized the Religious Right, I've got a Bridge to Nowhere I want to sell you.
Posted by Bill McDonald | September 9, 2008 10:12 AM
Don't you worry, he's going to be a fine and peachy-keen president. But I do gotta admit it's fun to watch your precious messiah fade away. But, hey, take heart. You can just step back to extolling the virtues of your previous favorite candidate, the silky pony John Edwards. You really loved him as I recall, even more than the messiah. Right Jack? Hahahaha.
Posted by zeb quinn | September 9, 2008 10:15 AM
Bill,
Rather than having a hissy fit over what accounts for the 'bounce', why not simply look up the poll and read the results? This should clarify things for you. From Gallup:
"Layering voters' political ideology over their party identification provides the additional finding that the slim group of "pure independents" -- those with no political leanings to either major party -- grew more favorable to McCain by an even larger amount over the past week or so. McCain was preferred over Obama by 20% of pure independents in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 29-31. In the latest three-day rolling average, from Sept. 5-7, he is favored by 39% of non-leaning independents, a 19-point increase. (Nearly 40% of pure independents remain undecided.)
The more modest expansion of McCain's support among Democrats has come mainly from the right wing of that party, with 25% of conservative Democrats now favoring him over Obama, compared with 15% just before the Republican gathering. Moderate and liberal Democrats show only slightly more support for McCain than they did prior to the GOP convention.
There has been no change in the presidential preferences of either conservative Republicans or moderate-to-liberal Republicans."
Posted by butch | September 9, 2008 10:37 AM
Is it a convenient canard to use in avoiding any recognition that a majority of mainstream America just simply doesn't align with the far left that dominates the Democratic party?
John Kerry won 48% in 2004, Gore won 49% in 2000. Obama is tied and in 2006 dems captured congress. If the dems are so out of touch how do you explain victories and narrow losses? If we were so out of touch we'd be in the 30% support range
Posted by Mike | September 9, 2008 10:44 AM
Serenity now!
Posted by Charlie | September 9, 2008 10:50 AM
"Nope. Palin speaks the truth while the left deals in gutter rumor mongering politics."
She supported the bridge to nowhere killing it only after it became clear it was dead.
" Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," she said. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island. Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."
She asked for $750m in earmark spending for AK since taking office in Dec 2006 the biggest per capita request in the U.S.
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Posted by Mike | September 9, 2008 10:52 AM
You can just step back to extolling the virtues of your previous favorite candidate, the silky pony John Edwards. You really loved him as I recall, even more than the messiah. Right Jack? Hahahaha.
From one conservative to another, I think we ought to let this one go. Jack sas repeatedly denounced Edwards and, quite frankly, with the way politicians are now days it could happen to any one of us on either side of the aisle.
John Kerry won 48% in 2004, Gore won 49% in 2000. Obama is tied and in 2006 dems captured congress. If the dems are so out of touch how do you explain victories and narrow losses? If we were so out of touch we'd be in the 30% support range
I don't believe it's because those candidates are in-line with the views of average Americans. I believe it's because the 'conservative' candidates that the GOP was running weren't actually conservative (like Bush and so many others). You put a true conservative up there against those guys and I'd bet they'd barely break 30%.
Posted by Joey Link | September 9, 2008 10:58 AM
Bill, thanks for these nuggets:
"If Bush and Cheney water-boarded Jesus they might object..."
""Thou Shalt Not Kill Unless They've Got Oil."
"Don't think about torture and water-boarding. Think about Alaska and snowboarding! Don't think about our Forefathers and losing our democracy. Think about Sarah's daughter keeping her pregnancy!"
Reason and religion should not be mutually exclusive. Perhaps when one stops believing in evolution, one fails to evolve? Palin has certainly awakened the sleeping flock. She is to the religious right what the word "bunch" is to sheep.
In the context of this topic, we vent in blogs which helps relieve a more visceral response. Anger management is an acquired skill best practiced every day. I cannot imagine how much pent up hostility I might suppress while held captive for years? Particularly were I the pugnacious sort. The McCain I see is a riverboat gambler with a hot button activated by dissent. He keeps it in check for the most part but it is still there seething below the surface. My concern is when he is no longer restrained by political campaign strategy, how will that anger manifest itself? He's not just another Bush, he's a bush with lengthy thorns. Yikes.
Posted by genop | September 9, 2008 11:02 AM
Butch,
I love the way you ratchet up the insults when someone points out that you've made another one of your logic-free points. (Independents=Liberals)
It's reassuring and in these times I need that.
It's what makes you Butch.
"John McCain made an incredible selection. He has turned around the campaign that I think was moving south, and there's enthusiasm, excitement and hope among social conservative voters."
---Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council
The Sarah Palin pick energized the Religious Right. That's not a hissy fit - that's reality. Visit sometime.
Posted by Bill McDonald | September 9, 2008 11:19 AM
"John McCain made an incredible selection. He has turned around the campaign that I think was moving south, and there's enthusiasm, excitement and hope among social conservative voters."
---Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council
Gee, Bill, that proves your point!
I look forward to you citing this guy as an authority in future debates.
*snort*
PS, I'm really disappointed you didn't think of the PTSD thing before Grumpy did - it's just soooo Bill.
and...
I wouldn't characterize your comments as a "hissy fit" - I'd say just a typical rant: all the paranoia, fatalism, hypersensitivity ("...ratchet up the insults..."), intolerance and hubris we usually get.
Jesus would puke, indeed. Move over, John Edwards.
Those, good buddy, are insults.
Posted by cc | September 9, 2008 11:45 AM
Bill,
Read. The. POLL. That's what we were discussing, remember? McCain's bounce in the POLL. He was getting 95% of the religious right vote anyway. His improvement is among NON-LEANING INDEPENDENTS. According to the POLL. Get it?
Rather than eat up more bandwidth here, if you want to discuss this - or anything else - further, why don't you put up a post at the Freelancer site? I'd love to converse there again without the fear of getting banned or deleted on a regular basis......
Posted by butch | September 9, 2008 11:50 AM
I agree with those who describe polls as a snap shot in time and discount the predictive value embraced by too many. The pundits claim the Palin bump consists of middle aged white women relating to her. The knee jerk attraction will erode quickly when the novelty wears off and her fundamentalist bent sinks in.
Posted by genop | September 9, 2008 12:17 PM
The knee jerk attraction will erode quickly when the novelty wears off and her fundamentalist bent sinks in.
The audacity of hope springs eternal.
Posted by cc | September 9, 2008 12:29 PM
Butch,
I've got to get back to blogger rehab. When you read my comment you responded with something that was factually incorrect. Let me quote you, "... among INDEPENDENTS, not right-wing nuts like you would like to think (his numbers are unchanged among conservatives)."
That implied that independents could not be conservatives, and I called you on it. Rather than admit to making a mistake you went into Butch hyper-drive. It was very similar to how President Bush handles his mistakes, by the way.
Why don't you just answer the question for yourself using your own brain:
Do you think the choice of Sarah Palin energized the Religious Right? If you don't just say so.
Go ahead. Show your ability to analyze this situation.
Posted by Bill McDonald | September 9, 2008 12:49 PM
Bill (sigh),
I never said Palin didn't energize the religious right. Of course she did. I only said that according to the POLL (focus, Bill, focus...), that is not what attributes to McCain's post-convention bounce. The RR was alread holding their nose and voting for McCain....to the tune of 95%. Palin energized the RR....but according to the POLL (focus, Bill, focus...), she energized non-leaning independents even more.
And I never said or implied that independents can't be 'right-wing' independents. I'm only pointing out that according to the poll, it is NON-LEANING (ie not right-wingers) independents that were swayed most by Palin.
Good day.
Posted by butch | September 9, 2008 1:12 PM
"The audacity of hope springs eternal." Except to the hopeless who long for the status quo ante.
Posted by genop | September 9, 2008 1:20 PM
Yes, John McCain is a hero, and Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks.
BTW did you know that John McCain was a POW?
Posted by joel dan walls | September 9, 2008 1:44 PM
Bill, I'm not exactly taking sides, but I want to go back to your original post. You said about McCain's POLL rise- "pundits attribute it to the energized Christian Right". The POLLS also have analyzed in several ways that the rise isn't all or nearly all caused by energized Christians as your writing insinuates. According to the polls most of the rise is due to several other factors.
You're a man of words, so when I read your comments I assume that you agree with your pundits, who ever they are. And I can think of several pundits that think otherwise. Its hard for me to accept pundits as proof.
Posted by lw | September 9, 2008 1:53 PM
lw, Ahh, the original post. You mean the one where I said, "I'm not sure it's that simple" before talking about the role religion has played in Republican politics? Nobody I've ever met denies that the Religious Right helped get Bush and Cheney in office. And I have no doubt that Palin's selection was an appeal to the RR again and it worked - they are extremely pleased with her.
I did give myself wiggle room as for explaining the bounce because NEWS FLASH: There's usually a bounce after a convention. I read Mondale was up 14% after his convention. But the move with Palin energized the religious right. Even Butch agreed with that eventually making the exchange that followed a big gigantic waste of time. Arguing with Butch IS the Road to Nowhere. That's what my therapist here at bloggers rehab always says.
Having said that I kind of get a kick out of the guy/girl/whatever so here goes:
Butch,
Now that you agree with me, focus on my initial paragraph and thanks for admitting your mistake. It takes a big person to do this. Kind of like when the Bush administration went from saying we know where the weapons of mass destruction are to Saddam had weapons of mass destruction related programs.
Read this and ask yourself what was your point other than arguing for arguing's sake.
Remember to FOCUS.
Okay, here goes:
"As far as the GOP preaching to us:
I see McCain has bounced in the polls and the pundits attribute it to the energized Christian Right, the people who want to teach Creationism and a 6,000-year-old earth in our classrooms. The pundits say that once again the Republicans are using religious fundamentalism to get power. I'm not so sure it's that simple but I occasionally get frustrated with having religion play this kind of role in our society, especially when the results have been so bad. It would be one thing if the leaders followed the basics - start with "Thou shalt not kill" - but they don't and the flock of sheep lets them get away with it, which is annoying."
And, Butch, stop with the sighing. It's creepy.
Posted by Bill McDonald | September 9, 2008 2:08 PM
Then there was the time he uttered these lovely terms of endearment to his wife..
( Warning:foul language)
http://wonkette.com/376849/mccain-called-his-wife-c+word
Posted by HVDweller | September 9, 2008 2:39 PM
Except to the hopeless who long for the status quo ante.
You mean like "The (nameless) pundits..." you cite?
Ante Palin, your hopeful scenario may have been the conventional wisdom, post-Palin I think the rules have changed.
We'll see.
Posted by cc | September 9, 2008 2:45 PM
Read this and ask yourself what was your point other than arguing for arguing's sake.
That's rich, considering the source.
Posted by cc | September 9, 2008 2:48 PM
It's one thing to assume the mantle of change, but quite another to propose changes to policies. One form is authentic, the other, mere window dressing. For McCain/Palin the mantle they are trying to assume is ill fitting. I trust the voters will see that.
The "pundits" who attribute the bump to suburban women were on CNN earlier. Sorry, didn't catch the names, does it matter?
Posted by genop | September 9, 2008 3:25 PM
Bill,
I didn't admit I was wrong. I pointed out that you were....provided one believes hard data over pundits....
Posted by butch | September 9, 2008 3:34 PM
Butch, you've got to tune into the Sarah Palin sarcasm. It's sweeping the nation.
So you disagreed with me before agreeing with me but now you're disagreeing again. Sure you're not related to John Kerry? Sarah Palin energized the religious right.
Think of the scope of the comments: I challenged the 6,000 year earth theory embraced by so many Republican fundamentalists. I had galaxies and light years. You had a poll that disagreed with the pundits - pundits I hadn't accepted at face value either.
My point is that the Religious Right is playing too big a role in America with bad results. See the Ayatollahs in Iran if you need to figure it out. See President George W. Bush for more of an understanding.
But why argue? You Republicans never own up to anything. You just move on to the next colossal screw-up as I'm sure Cheney is working on right now.
And the party faithful go on singing their leaders praises no matter what the tune.
It's kind of like how the timetables in Iraq went from being cut-and-run bad, to being President Bush's latest plan, and none of you even blinked.
Maybe when CERN looks for sub-atomic particles it can locate your logic.
Here's James Dobson last year:
"Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances."
Now he fully supports McCain. The difference? Sarah Palin.
So give your poll to him. I'm sure he'd love it.
Posted by Bill McDonald | September 9, 2008 4:40 PM
It's amusing to watch the Left spin out of control as they struggle to salvage their standard-bearer (did you know he's a black guy?).
Palin has a toned-down version of the porn actress look favoured by this decade's woman, the overtreated hair, puffy lips and permanently alarmed expression.
McCain deserves a lot of credit for having the judgement to completely destabilize the savior of the Left. It was a great call, and the more the Left attempts to demonize her, the deeper their acid leaches into what they may have thought was their base.
McCain may be hot-tempered. But that's a universal characteristic. Not necessarily a bad one.
Posted by Not Tense | September 9, 2008 5:24 PM
If McCain isn't pissed off, he isn't paying attention.
Posted by Mister Tee | September 9, 2008 5:28 PM
"I believe it's because the 'conservative' candidates that the GOP was running weren't actually conservative (like Bush and so many others). You put a true conservative up there against those guys and I'd bet they'd barely break 30%."
That's a bit like people saying true pure communism is great it just has never been instituted anywhere. It begs the question why not?
Here's why: people may bitch about the govt (god knows we all have seen examples of waste and ineffciency as we would in any private business)but they like the programs that benefit them. True libertarians who would have govt do virtually nothing are a small minority.
Take a random group of people and ask them
-do they like subsidized student loans
-govt health and safety regs on consumer goods and in workplaces
-deposit insurance on their bank accounts
-crop insurance for farmers
-funding for roads and bridges and infrastructure
-community centers
-libraries
-civil rights laws
-social security and medicare
-land use laws
Most will support them. Again if we are such a conservative libertarian country then why do so few truly conservative candidates make it to the general election?
After all voters choose party nominees so if non-conservatives are getting thru the primaries and winning the GOP nominee it says something about GOP voters.
Sure you'll get a bunch of types at various think tanks waxing eloquent on the corrosive nature of social programs (many of these being people who never had to make itin the private sector)
The 69 yr old woman who had a stroke and who thanks to medicare won't lose her house and life savings will tell those guys what to do with all their rhetoric. Ditto for the single Mom with the autistic 11 yr old
Maybe that's why McCain does not want this election to be about issues. He knows that on the issues the anti-gove wing of the GOP is the minority.
Posted by Mike | September 9, 2008 6:13 PM
Jack was right a couple of days ago when he told butch to get his own blog!
Thanks Bill, you rock!
Posted by portland native | September 9, 2008 7:53 PM
McCain is rumored to have gotten into a fist fight with another member of congress in a closed committee meeting. As the stor goes, McCain referred to this gentleman as a "chickenshit" and the two proceeded to come to blows, until the other members of the committee had to break the two of them up.
Posted by James | September 9, 2008 8:30 PM
here's how it will go down in November:
If Obama wins, it will be a stinging rebuke by the voting public of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin, Iraq, the economy, immigration, oil speculation, gas prices, the military, the war on terror, Afghanistan, Wal-Mart, Exxon, Chevron and the creeping oppression of freedom-loving, justice-championing peoples everywhere. Obama, and by extension his supporters, are not just the purveyors of superior political, economic and social ideas, they are better people. And they make others better by their mere existence.
If McCain wins, he stole it.
Posted by rube in the stix | September 9, 2008 8:41 PM
Yes, McCain was a POW. His plane was shot down over Viet Nam in 1967. In 1967, the North Vietnamese were not yet that proficient in using surface-to-air (SAM) missiles. The US had an advantage via sophisticated electronic counter-measure (ECM) devices installed on US aircraft. These onboard devices were capable of deceiving the ground-based SAM operators and offered a margin of safety to US pilots. It wasn't until the early 1970s, that the North Vietnamese became really superb SAM operators and the US was constantly challenged to develop newer and better ECM gear. I should add that one of the things that helped the North Vietnamese improve was recovering ECM equipment from downed US jets and learning how it worked. I often wonder how A4E Skyhawk pilot McCain managed to get himself shot down at a stage of the war when the technology favored the US. Maybe that's why he's so mad.
P.S. Wes Clark got it exactly right.
Posted by edison | September 10, 2008 12:37 AM
McCain is the scariest guy to run for president since Barry Goldwater (who said he saw a strategic use for "conventional nuclear weapons"). LBJ won big in 1964 by casting Goldwater as a wingnut who might start World War III. He was also a pilot and loved to fly fighter jets.
McCain probably won't do anything that will get us all blown to kingdom come, but can you be totally sure? That statement by Thad Cochrane, a Republican, about the chance of McCain getting near the button sending a cold chill down his spine, that should get a lot more air time. The Dems need to hit McCain over the head with this, as well as his own crazy statements ("bomb bomb bomb Iran," e.g.).
Posted by Gil Johnson | September 10, 2008 3:07 PM
Intemperate unmanaged hotheads in The Fright House is the fallout of braying asses in the blogsphere, and sticks in the mud at the sickening fetid bottom beneath the slippery slope of biased ignorants.
The Red White and Blue Roots of Terrorism, By: Peter Chamberlin, 10/Sept/08
None. Nor any fearmongers with a 'war' word to comment. Yet, the unAmerican enemies of America still bray, stupid and stubborn, the brainwashed LIES of LIARS.
And Then We Will Die, By Angie Riedel, 06/Sept/08.
Such inability as in the invalid supremacist and malignant MasterRacist comments above.
Vote in November for our African-American choice and the vital soul of our democratic decency.
Posted by Tenskwatawa | September 10, 2008 4:17 PM