Well, heck. Here I bet a bunch of people a dollar that Sarah Palin would be off the Republican ticket by noon Alaska time today, and that time has come and gone and she's still on the ticket.
Don't you get it? The GOP wants you to focus on the baby scnadal stuff, that is the distraction from the real issues:
Troopergate, her affiliation with the sepratist party, her far right socail and religious views, the fact that she basically has lied everytime she opens her mouth (the Bridge to Nowhere, ties to Stevens, hell she even lied about being Miss Congeniality, and so on) The fact that the Republican speaker of the house in Alaska thinks she is unqualified to be governor let alone VP, and so on.
But I can't see them dumping her, to admit how bad of a choice she was completely undermines McCain's argument about his judgement.
The fun has just begun with Sarah Palin. But really, for now I would just like to make the points I have summarized elsewhere on this blog:
Sarah Palin showed extremely poor judgment flying from Dallas to Anchorage after her water broke. And the story of her pregnancy and delivery with Trig are hard to believe.
When all is said and done, that is all I have been saying and will continue to say.
The fact that the right wing is now going ad hominem on me indicates to me that they realize the damage that these points cause to their ticket. As I have also said before, I hope they leave her on. They got away with Quayle once, but it's hard for me to see this helping them.
Rinowatch, the articles detailing Trig's arrival use Sarah's story. Her words, her account of the whole ordeal. And any reasonable person can listen to that story and realize it was a very reckless gamble that showed poor judgment and disregard for human life (see also: John McCain). Maybe you don't agree that it was reckless; maybe she doesn't agree that it was reckless. But most reasonable people do. That's why eight month pregnant women who've had their water break and are in labor do not fly on airplanes. It's irresponsible, reckless, and a demonstration of poor judgment. Period.
do you or anyone else know what Sarah's doctor had to say?
Governor Palin's doctor, Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, has confirmed in at least one press report that she was in contact with Palin by telephone on the day before the birth. She says that Palin never asked her whether it was o.k. to fly:
Flying back to Alaska to give birth simply because Sarah and her husband wanted the baby born in Alaska meant taking an unnecessary risk. That means that they balanced possible loss or damage to their child with a frivolous desire that that child be "born in Alaska." A child born in Texas was apparently so unacceptable to them that it was deemed preferable to risk the comfort and lives of a special needs child and its mother by subjecting them to a long distance flight and a lengthy car ride to a small hospital without specialized neo-natal facilities.
That brings up another question: If the reason for flying back was so that the baby could be born in Alaska, why wasn't a closer, larger and better-equipped hospital in Anchorage good enough? Isn't Anchorage in Alaska?
Rinowatch, no, I don't "know" anything more than anyone else here does. But we have her account of it - and if she's sharing her account of it with the public, then I think that's up for debate.
It would be funny if it weren't so appalling that anti-choice people like to paint pro-choice people as pro-abortion. Besides, this isn't about abortion - it's about her lack of judgment.
As you well know, you're certainly entitled to disagree with me - that's fine. Maybe you think it's perfect judgment for a woman to spend half a day on a flight while she is in labor with a special needs child. Maybe all women should! Maybe this will become a new trend in birthing - forget about water births or midwives - just hop in a plane!
But back to the point: poor judgment on her part (well beyond this episode - but since that's the topic, I'm sticking with it), which goes to poor judgment on McCain's part for choosing her.
I think Jack's dollars will be well spent. The longer she lasts on the ticket, the more entertaining this becomes.
Our bet is still on, Jack. I REALLY put my money where my mouth is and said I think Palin will make it all the way to election day. I'm a little less confident than I was when I made the bet, but I stand by it. Once she gives the speech and accepts the nomination today, it will be way too costly for McCain to ditch her.
Pregnant women are irrational by definition due to hormonal changes brought on by the pregnancy. I can totally see my former wife absolutely insisting on some crazy scheme during a pregnancy.
I want to know this.
What is the real story about the son Track?
He was out of his regular high school for 6 months of his senior year, after which he joins the Army as an enlisted infantryman???
That seems odd to me!
I guess Palin wanted her child born in Alaska so that after her hoped-for Alaskan secession, the child would be counted as a natural-born citizen of the ExxonMobil Christian Republic of Alaska.
Not to completely go off topic, but CNN still calls Oregon a "toss up state" or only "leaning Obama." Is there anyone on either side that really believes this isn't a slam dunk for Obama?
Boy, did you guys blow it..How could you all be so wrong? I will tell you why. Because your minds are warped as a result of drinking too much Obama kool-aid. Palin is twice the man Baraka (clinging to God) Obama will ever be.
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Comments (20)
Your anti-Sarah ranting was so entertaining, I think I owe YOU a dollar!Now, back to Joe......
Posted by Livin la Vida Suburbia | September 2, 2008 7:45 PM
Jack,
Don't you get it? The GOP wants you to focus on the baby scnadal stuff, that is the distraction from the real issues:
Troopergate, her affiliation with the sepratist party, her far right socail and religious views, the fact that she basically has lied everytime she opens her mouth (the Bridge to Nowhere, ties to Stevens, hell she even lied about being Miss Congeniality, and so on) The fact that the Republican speaker of the house in Alaska thinks she is unqualified to be governor let alone VP, and so on.
But I can't see them dumping her, to admit how bad of a choice she was completely undermines McCain's argument about his judgement.
Posted by eric k | September 2, 2008 7:54 PM
The fun has just begun with Sarah Palin. But really, for now I would just like to make the points I have summarized elsewhere on this blog:
Sarah Palin showed extremely poor judgment flying from Dallas to Anchorage after her water broke. And the story of her pregnancy and delivery with Trig are hard to believe.
When all is said and done, that is all I have been saying and will continue to say.
The fact that the right wing is now going ad hominem on me indicates to me that they realize the damage that these points cause to their ticket. As I have also said before, I hope they leave her on. They got away with Quayle once, but it's hard for me to see this helping them.
Posted by Jack Bog | September 2, 2008 7:59 PM
You can donate my dollar to Ralph Nader.
Posted by none | September 2, 2008 8:27 PM
"Sarah Palin showed extremely poor judgment flying from Dallas to Anchorage after her water broke."
Jack, if this is your opinion, fine, but is it based on any facts you can cite that are specific to Sarah Palin's medical condition?
Under cross you know the value of opinion vs. fact, right?
Posted by rinowatch | September 2, 2008 8:36 PM
Send my dollar to sisters of the road:)
Posted by dman | September 2, 2008 9:15 PM
Rinowatch, the articles detailing Trig's arrival use Sarah's story. Her words, her account of the whole ordeal. And any reasonable person can listen to that story and realize it was a very reckless gamble that showed poor judgment and disregard for human life (see also: John McCain). Maybe you don't agree that it was reckless; maybe she doesn't agree that it was reckless. But most reasonable people do. That's why eight month pregnant women who've had their water break and are in labor do not fly on airplanes. It's irresponsible, reckless, and a demonstration of poor judgment. Period.
Posted by ellie | September 2, 2008 9:15 PM
Poor judgment. Hmmm.
Posted by jonjon | September 2, 2008 9:25 PM
Ellie, I appreciate your thoughts and will not argue them other than to ask; do you or anyone else know what Sarah's doctor had to say?
I still am fascinated by the pro choice crowd being so concerned with what you call "irresponsible, reckless, and a demonstration of poor judgment"...
What would you say if Sarah had said, Ah hell, let's just abort the baby here in Texas, flying home to give birth would be just a pain in the ass?
I know, she should have just had the baby in Texas but why didn't she? Do you know the answer? I don't.
Posted by rinowatch | September 2, 2008 9:31 PM
why didn't she?
Are you somehow not satisfied with Palin's own answer to that question? (She said she wanted the baby to be born in Alaska.)
Posted by Allan L. | September 2, 2008 9:52 PM
do you or anyone else know what Sarah's doctor had to say?
Governor Palin's doctor, Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, has confirmed in at least one press report that she was in contact with Palin by telephone on the day before the birth. She says that Palin never asked her whether it was o.k. to fly:
http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
Dr. Baldwin-Johnson is listed in many places as a family practice doctor, and not an OB-GYN.
Indeed, no doctor has ever said they would advise an 8-month pregnant woman with amniotic fluid leakage and contractions to fly anywhere.
And it's hard to believe that any doctor ever would.
Posted by Jack Bog | September 2, 2008 9:59 PM
Flying back to Alaska to give birth simply because Sarah and her husband wanted the baby born in Alaska meant taking an unnecessary risk. That means that they balanced possible loss or damage to their child with a frivolous desire that that child be "born in Alaska." A child born in Texas was apparently so unacceptable to them that it was deemed preferable to risk the comfort and lives of a special needs child and its mother by subjecting them to a long distance flight and a lengthy car ride to a small hospital without specialized neo-natal facilities.
That brings up another question: If the reason for flying back was so that the baby could be born in Alaska, why wasn't a closer, larger and better-equipped hospital in Anchorage good enough? Isn't Anchorage in Alaska?
Posted by NW Portlander | September 2, 2008 10:14 PM
Rinowatch, no, I don't "know" anything more than anyone else here does. But we have her account of it - and if she's sharing her account of it with the public, then I think that's up for debate.
It would be funny if it weren't so appalling that anti-choice people like to paint pro-choice people as pro-abortion. Besides, this isn't about abortion - it's about her lack of judgment.
As you well know, you're certainly entitled to disagree with me - that's fine. Maybe you think it's perfect judgment for a woman to spend half a day on a flight while she is in labor with a special needs child. Maybe all women should! Maybe this will become a new trend in birthing - forget about water births or midwives - just hop in a plane!
But back to the point: poor judgment on her part (well beyond this episode - but since that's the topic, I'm sticking with it), which goes to poor judgment on McCain's part for choosing her.
I think Jack's dollars will be well spent. The longer she lasts on the ticket, the more entertaining this becomes.
Posted by ellie | September 2, 2008 10:30 PM
If we need to trash Sarah so bad why not go to her enemy?
http://crosscut.com/2008-election/17341/About+Sarah+Palin%3A+an+e-mail+from+Wasilla/#comments
Posted by dman | September 2, 2008 11:13 PM
Our bet is still on, Jack. I REALLY put my money where my mouth is and said I think Palin will make it all the way to election day. I'm a little less confident than I was when I made the bet, but I stand by it. Once she gives the speech and accepts the nomination today, it will be way too costly for McCain to ditch her.
Posted by teacherrefpoet | September 3, 2008 6:22 AM
Pregnant women are irrational by definition due to hormonal changes brought on by the pregnancy. I can totally see my former wife absolutely insisting on some crazy scheme during a pregnancy.
This issue's simply a non-starter.
Posted by John Fairplay | September 3, 2008 6:50 AM
I want to know this.
What is the real story about the son Track?
He was out of his regular high school for 6 months of his senior year, after which he joins the Army as an enlisted infantryman???
That seems odd to me!
Posted by portland native | September 3, 2008 7:34 AM
I guess Palin wanted her child born in Alaska so that after her hoped-for Alaskan secession, the child would be counted as a natural-born citizen of the ExxonMobil Christian Republic of Alaska.
Posted by joel dan walls | September 3, 2008 9:24 AM
Not to completely go off topic, but CNN still calls Oregon a "toss up state" or only "leaning Obama." Is there anyone on either side that really believes this isn't a slam dunk for Obama?
Posted by Mike (the other one) | September 3, 2008 4:51 PM
Boy, did you guys blow it..How could you all be so wrong? I will tell you why. Because your minds are warped as a result of drinking too much Obama kool-aid. Palin is twice the man Baraka (clinging to God) Obama will ever be.
Posted by ronwade | September 4, 2008 1:49 PM