Yeah, kind of like those rich folks who suddenly decide to "simplify their lives," and publish a stupid book to tell the rest of us how to do it. Yeah, they gave up just about everything, "except for my BMW. I just couldn't let it go." Ugh. Spit. Ting!
Well then don't pay attention to him. LISTEN TO ME instead. I am 74, retired, live off of what little remains of my IRA and Social Security. And I am sacrificing for you and your descendents even if you will not. Got a worm composter and small container garden on the porch. I recycle everything I can, limit my driving because I am willing to and limit my use of electricity. Quit your bitching about someone whose politics you don't like and do the F*** something for your planet and your descendents. Clearly you are part of the problem and not the solution.
Jack this is what I like about you. You aren't aother Kool Aid drinker. There are a lot of us Oregonians who have been riding bikes and looking to environment since growing up in the Tom McCall era. For us to now be preached down to by someone who profits from selling global warming extremism, particularly through arbitrary government regulation and insider connections, like Al Gore, is downright disgusting.
Although another way to look at it is that by being an early adopter, he is paying a higher cost in order to speed adoption and economies of scale that make it more affordable for the rest.
If we all had larger yards we'd be able to grow some good size gardens and with that food reduce the need to import so much from elsewhere afterall in WWII 40% of food, or something close to that was grown in Victory Gardens. I wonder how much that would cut down on the green house gases coming from all those trucks used to deliver that food? Then there are the pesticides and other issues that are related to present day food distribution that might be reduced. That of course might require a larger city size area wise. Food for thought?
Although another way to look at it is that by being an early adopter, he is paying a higher cost in order to speed adoption and economies of scale that make it more affordable for the rest.
Another way to look at it is to drink lots of Kool-Aid; but I see you've already figured that out.
"Another way to look at it is to drink lots of Kool-Aid; but I see you've already figured that out."
Kool-Aid? Ouch.
You're right: Al Gore is exactly like Jim Jones, mass murdering hundreds in Gautemala. Or was that winning Nobel Prizes and Oscars? Same difference, I guess.
Intellectually devastating, burton. Were you debate club captain in school?
"Despite the child's humble beginnings, experts predict the intergalactic journey may have some extraordinary effects on Kal-Al's physique, eyesight, and, potentially, his powers of quiet, sensible persuasion."
"It reminds of the futurama Earth that poor little Wall-E is trying to clean up.."
Maybe the marketing meme motive had it the other way around -- Icon Wall-E is massmind reminder to picture futurama Earth. Now consumer product merchandising can be hooked up to the icon.
"... after all in WWII 40% of food, or something close to that was grown in Victory Gardens. I wonder how much ... all those trucks used to deliver that food?"
During WW II, public/military policy was to ship everything by rail and as little as possible by truck in order to save fuel and trucks for overseas operations. Lieut. E. L. Tennyson, Office of Chief of Transportation, US Army states that 90% of ton-miles in the 48 states were by rail during WW II.
Ed Tennyson has made the rough estimation that a $250 billion investment in rail infrastructure (electrification, double tracking, no semi-High Speed Rail) would result in an eventual transfer of 67% of truck ton-miles to rail in a high oil price environment.
I believe that, in an environment of very high oil prices, an investment of $400 to $450 billion (including semi-High Speed Rail and some new rail lines) could result in an 85% shift of existing truck freight ton-miles to rail. It is difficult to calculate the long term road maintenance savings from such a shift, but that savings alone may justify such massive investments. The bulk of rail investments have 50-year useful lives.
A nation-wide improved and electrified rail system would be a very worthwhile inheritance for the next generation facing a post-Peak Oil future.
---
Me and futurama Earth both, and Al Gore, too, are all looking for, (like TheOnion cries for finding), that celebrated sparkle-hairdo 'powerful charisma'.
You're right: Al Gore is exactly like Jim Jones, mass murdering hundreds in Gautemala.
Ah, Sam.
The implication of my comment was that Mr. Gore's "preachings" had affected your ability to discriminate between reality and fantasy. Your apparent devotion to Gore's Delphic pronouncements coupled with a perverse ability to see his flaws as strengths precipitated it. The Kool-Aid allusion refers to that phenomenon. But you knew that.
A straw man, like that you raised to "refute" my comment is a fine debating tactic if done subtly. It allows one to debate oneself and never lose. Of course, hyperbolic flights like yours are the antithesis of subtlety and somewhat less effective.
PS
I did not debate in school, but I did learn to spell Guatemala.
Well since the comments have become the story more than the article...
The whole green-earth agenda has turned from actually saving a planet to uncovering the real face of these "environmentalists" who tax the poor and minorities with their "earth saving" "practices". OMG, there are so many double ententes in the leftist agenda I'm surprised they aren't taxing the double quote! What a fucking joke. Let me know when Al Gore actually uses LESS energy rather than paying some one else for his gluttony so he can sleep at night.
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Comments (19)
Yeah, kind of like those rich folks who suddenly decide to "simplify their lives," and publish a stupid book to tell the rest of us how to do it. Yeah, they gave up just about everything, "except for my BMW. I just couldn't let it go." Ugh. Spit. Ting!
Posted by BoggyWoggy | July 30, 2008 4:13 PM
I trust you clicked on the link.
Posted by Jack Bog | July 30, 2008 4:14 PM
If only Gore-Al could spin the earth backwards, go back in time and actually invent the Internet!
Funny link.
Posted by Steve | July 30, 2008 4:18 PM
Well then don't pay attention to him. LISTEN TO ME instead. I am 74, retired, live off of what little remains of my IRA and Social Security. And I am sacrificing for you and your descendents even if you will not. Got a worm composter and small container garden on the porch. I recycle everything I can, limit my driving because I am willing to and limit my use of electricity. Quit your bitching about someone whose politics you don't like and do the F*** something for your planet and your descendents. Clearly you are part of the problem and not the solution.
Posted by Ron Hager | July 30, 2008 4:30 PM
And I am sacrificing for you and your descendents even if you will not.
("Fresh Week" deleted comment)
Posted by cc | July 30, 2008 5:10 PM
Jack this is what I like about you. You aren't aother Kool Aid drinker. There are a lot of us Oregonians who have been riding bikes and looking to environment since growing up in the Tom McCall era. For us to now be preached down to by someone who profits from selling global warming extremism, particularly through arbitrary government regulation and insider connections, like Al Gore, is downright disgusting.
Posted by Bob Clark | July 30, 2008 5:22 PM
The onion is funion.
Although another way to look at it is that by being an early adopter, he is paying a higher cost in order to speed adoption and economies of scale that make it more affordable for the rest.
Posted by William Neuhauser | July 30, 2008 6:26 PM
If we all had larger yards we'd be able to grow some good size gardens and with that food reduce the need to import so much from elsewhere afterall in WWII 40% of food, or something close to that was grown in Victory Gardens. I wonder how much that would cut down on the green house gases coming from all those trucks used to deliver that food? Then there are the pesticides and other issues that are related to present day food distribution that might be reduced. That of course might require a larger city size area wise. Food for thought?
TLG
Posted by The Libertarian Guy | July 30, 2008 7:25 PM
I guess all those carbon offsets didn't really help very much, satirically speaking?
It reminds of the futurama Earth that poor little Wall-E is trying to clean up.
Posted by Mister Tee | July 30, 2008 7:53 PM
Although another way to look at it is that by being an early adopter, he is paying a higher cost in order to speed adoption and economies of scale that make it more affordable for the rest.
Another way to look at it is to drink lots of Kool-Aid; but I see you've already figured that out.
Posted by burton cummings | July 30, 2008 8:47 PM
"Another way to look at it is to drink lots of Kool-Aid; but I see you've already figured that out."
Kool-Aid? Ouch.
You're right: Al Gore is exactly like Jim Jones, mass murdering hundreds in Gautemala. Or was that winning Nobel Prizes and Oscars? Same difference, I guess.
Intellectually devastating, burton. Were you debate club captain in school?
Posted by Sam | July 30, 2008 11:07 PM
"Despite the child's humble beginnings, experts predict the intergalactic journey may have some extraordinary effects on Kal-Al's physique, eyesight, and, potentially, his powers of quiet, sensible persuasion."
Ah, the Onion.
Posted by Sam | July 30, 2008 11:12 PM
"It reminds of the futurama Earth that poor little Wall-E is trying to clean up.."
Maybe the marketing meme motive had it the other way around -- Icon Wall-E is massmind reminder to picture futurama Earth. Now consumer product merchandising can be hooked up to the icon.
"... after all in WWII 40% of food, or something close to that was grown in Victory Gardens. I wonder how much ... all those trucks used to deliver that food?"
Multiple Birds – One Silver BB: A synergistic set of solutions to multiple issues focused on Electrified Railroads, Alan Drake, July 15, 2008.
Appendix Four
How much truck freight can be shifted to rail?
The correct answer from several public policy perspectives is “as much as possible, as soon as possible”.
During WW II, public/military policy was to ship everything by rail and as little as possible by truck in order to save fuel and trucks for overseas operations. Lieut. E. L. Tennyson, Office of Chief of Transportation, US Army states that 90% of ton-miles in the 48 states were by rail during WW II.
Ed Tennyson has made the rough estimation that a $250 billion investment in rail infrastructure (electrification, double tracking, no semi-High Speed Rail) would result in an eventual transfer of 67% of truck ton-miles to rail in a high oil price environment.
I believe that, in an environment of very high oil prices, an investment of $400 to $450 billion (including semi-High Speed Rail and some new rail lines) could result in an 85% shift of existing truck freight ton-miles to rail. It is difficult to calculate the long term road maintenance savings from such a shift, but that savings alone may justify such massive investments. The bulk of rail investments have 50-year useful lives.
A nation-wide improved and electrified rail system would be a very worthwhile inheritance for the next generation facing a post-Peak Oil future.
---
Me and futurama Earth both, and Al Gore, too, are all looking for, (like TheOnion cries for finding), that celebrated sparkle-hairdo 'powerful charisma'.
Posted by Tenskwatawa | July 31, 2008 12:08 AM
Errr, Sam, it was Guyana. (Close though...)
Posted by HMLA267 | July 31, 2008 11:31 AM
You're right: Al Gore is exactly like Jim Jones, mass murdering hundreds in Gautemala.
Ah, Sam.
The implication of my comment was that Mr. Gore's "preachings" had affected your ability to discriminate between reality and fantasy. Your apparent devotion to Gore's Delphic pronouncements coupled with a perverse ability to see his flaws as strengths precipitated it. The Kool-Aid allusion refers to that phenomenon. But you knew that.
A straw man, like that you raised to "refute" my comment is a fine debating tactic if done subtly. It allows one to debate oneself and never lose. Of course, hyperbolic flights like yours are the antithesis of subtlety and somewhat less effective.
PS
I did not debate in school, but I did learn to spell Guatemala.
Posted by burton cummings | July 31, 2008 11:36 AM
Bob Clark needs a hobby.
Posted by Gene | July 31, 2008 3:24 PM
The Onion aside, Gore *IS* a total hypocrite.
And Obama is clueless. Preaching about how we should give up our SUVs, yet he uses 'em constantly and flies a 757 all over creation just to campaign.
He even went so far as to say that if we just keep our cars tuned up and tires inflated, we wouldn't have to drill for more oil.
No *that's* funny!
Posted by Chris McMullen | July 31, 2008 3:36 PM
Well since the comments have become the story more than the article...
The whole green-earth agenda has turned from actually saving a planet to uncovering the real face of these "environmentalists" who tax the poor and minorities with their "earth saving" "practices". OMG, there are so many double ententes in the leftist agenda I'm surprised they aren't taxing the double quote! What a fucking joke. Let me know when Al Gore actually uses LESS energy rather than paying some one else for his gluttony so he can sleep at night.
Posted by Jeff | July 31, 2008 3:44 PM
Jeff-
He doesn't pay someone ELSE for his gluttony - he buys offsets from his own company!
What a scam!
Posted by Rob Kremer | July 31, 2008 9:48 PM