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Democratic Party cruising for biggest disappointment ever

As I've been predicting (and fearing) for months now, it's going to be Hillary vs. McCain.

And McCain is going to win. God help America.

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This is is so "normal" for the Democrats it makes me want to scream. Let's take the most informed, intellectual and inspirational candidate we have. Let's give him a well earned lead in delegates. Let's give the scheming, political hack two weeks to drum on desperate bullshit(i.e. the bat phone ringing at 3 am[Bill's nailing another intern]). And lets let the mainstream media portray the whole mess as an admirable come from behind victory rather than a pre-ordained result of the the deceitful negative crapola campaigning that the grasping at straws, unelectable candidate(who shall remain nameless) has railed against in the past(when it was convenient). Intellect, ideas, independence-this is what the Democrats should be rallying to. Please don't screw this up. My kids, who can't vote, are telling me that Obama is the right choice. And they, unfortunately, are the ones that will pay the price if we don't get off our rear ends and choose wisely.

Amen.

Obama had a large enough lead in pledged delegates going into the evening that I think he's still fine. The 12-point margin in Ohio will give Hillary a decent pickup, but the margin in the Texas primary (as I'm writing this, at least) is only around 3 points, and Obama is winning the caucus. He's still got the lead where it counts.

Sorry. Where it counts is in Denver, where between the super-delegate cr*p and the Florida-Michigan fiasco, the Clinton machine will pull out the nomination. Not only will the party thus be sending the weaker candidate up against McCain, but it will also be totally weakened, financially and spiritually, by the political bloodbath. Not to mention extremely short on time to get its act together.

Can you imagine eight Scalias on the Supreme Court? That is where we're going. Our poor kids.

Looking at the results, county by county, for Ohio, it's interesting to me that Obama opened a #10 can of whoop a*s on Mrs. Clinton in the large metropolitan counties, including Cinci and Cleveland. Makes my head swim and reminds me of the 2000 and 2004 Presidential election debacles where the current White House occupant received the minority of the popular vote and yet won (stole? borrowed without asking?) the election at the end of the day. Methinks that Obama (the right choice, in my opinion) will garner the popular vote in the primaries, yet Mrs. Clinton will somehow win (steal? borrow without asking?) the Democratic nomination. I'm no mathematician/statistician/accountant, but that's what the winds smell like to me.
This situation also underscores the importance of the remaining primaries, (including Oregon), where every county and delegate vote promises to make a huge difference.

If John McCain becomes President, it is going to be extremely hard not to give up on this country.

Au Canada!

Time to hire revolutionaries from Mexico or Cuba...doing a job American's won't do. LOL

If John McCain becomes President, it is going to be extremely hard not to give up on this country.

What with his record on campaign finance reform, his opposition to supposed torture, his sell out to the junk science called global warming, and his soft approach toward illegal immigration, we agree! Most conservatives do.

If neither the democratic party or republican party like John McCain how is he going to get elected if Hillary gets the nod?

Maybe everyone hates Hillary that much.

"What with his record on campaign finance reform, his opposition to supposed torture, his sell out to the junk science called global warming, and his soft approach toward illegal immigration, we agree! Most conservatives do."

That's exactly how I feel. This is the first election I'm thinking of staying home.

Whoa! You folks are losing your grip. And, by the way, if I may provide an additional incentive to you to move to another country, then let me know. On second thought, maybe I just did!

"If John McCain becomes President, it is going to be extremely hard not to give up on this country."

I'll reluctantly vote for McCain but why is his election such a trigger to give up on the country?
Don't we see enough evidence right here that Democrats produce bad enough polticians to say the same thing about Hillary or Obama. I mean either one of them could be no different than any CoP commissioner getting elected president.
Isn't that a lovely thought.

This cycle has the least gap between the R & D nominees when November comes.

Interesting that predictions about the results are at opposite extremes.

Michael Savage yesterday declared McCain was done, that no way could he win in November and that Hillary or Obama was certain to be elected.

Three issues bug me in all this.
Iraq is not one of them becasue I don't think we will pull out no matter who is elected.
1)Tax increases or expiring the Bush tax cuts will be bad news.
2)Illegal immigration must be addressed, preferrably like Arizona is.
I'm waiting for McCain to be asked about new illegal immigration laws his own State, Arizona.
3)Global warming is being exposed for the hoax it is and our politicians of every stripe need to stop the charade and rush of CO2-GW policies.

Just wait until Clinton and Obama forget all of the things they have said and done to each other and decide to run together.

I wonder how that ticket would stack up against McCain.

None, a Clinton-Obama ticket ain't in the cards. Hillary is already having trouble emerging from the shadows of her husband; I don't think she would want Barack constantly overshadowing her as well. In addition, Hillary is known to have a long memory and for being vindictive. I'm quite sure Obama is on her worst-enemies' list by now.

If there were a Clinton-Obama ticket I think it'd hurt the D party. There are tons of D's who hate Hillary, and without Obama on his own they'd be forced to vote for her or stay home. I think most would probably choose the latter.

Hillary repeated twice yesterday "Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience, I have a lifetime of experience, Sen. Obama has one speech in 2002".

Fantastic. Now if Obama somehow survives this, Camp McCain gets the best campaign commericial possible handed to them.

'Barack Hussein Obama...even his own party doesn't trust him...'

Wow, diesel's gone up 33% in a year with no end in sight.
They could bring in Thomas Jefferson to be President and the next few years are still going to be rough.

If some of you guys would step outside for a while, I think you'd find that Chicken Little is wrong.

Ooh, "Chicken Little", me Likee. Yeah, Hillary trots out the fear factor and we all quiver. Have some Yarbles-elect Obama.

That's why I said yesterday that the Democratic Party is the political equivalent of the pre-2004 Boston Red Sox.

They are not only guaranteed to lose, but they are guaranteed to choke away the victory in the most painful and horrifying method possible.

You have got to be kidding me! There are no republicans running for president. Juan McCain is a democrat through and through. You Democrats are lucky you have three candidates to choose from. The other parties have none.

Ooooooooooooom. Ooooooooooooom. Ok now that I have meditated let's get down to it. Obama is this years shining knight. We like to elect them President because they haven't done anything so they can't be blamed for making mistakes. They haven't done anything. Nice guy and has won every caucus out there mostly. The problem is he hasn't won very many primaries. Hillary wins those. It's because while Obama has the rabid supporters, who show up at caucus sites, Hills wins easily usually when people vote.

Anyone who thinks an Clinton Obama ticket is unlikely doesn't know politics. Obama will jump at the chance and Hillary knows that a VP is whatever she wants him to be. Besides who else is she going to have run with her.

Given that boatloads of conservatives are going to sit this election out, I like the chances of just about any Democrat against McCain this year. Hillary may not be the shiniest and newest of candidates but we will all hold our noses and vote for her.

Greg C

PS. Besides that usually how I vote for President, while holding my nose.

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

Will Rogers

Can you imagine eight Scalias on the Supreme Court? That is where we're going.

Don't tease me like that!

If the economy keeps corkscrewing downward I can't imagine the GOP keeping the White House.

While I can see Obama beating McCain, I can't see Clinton doing it.

I dreamt that FDR & JFK dropped from the heavens at the convention and annointed an Edwards/Richardson ticket.

I dreamt that FDR & JFK dropped from the heavens at the convention and annointed an Edwards/Richardson ticket.

I told you not to eat those shrooms.

Based on the current AP counts on yesterday's results:

Clinton gains
-----------------
+9 Ohio
+5 Rhode Island
+4 Texas
-3 Vermont
---
+15

So out of about 2200 pledged delegates chosen so far, she closed the gap by only 15 yesterday. And remember that the Texas caucus has not yet been counted, so there are still 67 pledged delegates yet to be determined from yesterday's action. It's likely Obama will do better there and eliminate up to half of Clinton's gains yesterday.

Her "wins" yesterday were more symbolic than significant. She's still behind, and she's still behind by a significant margin.

This is really screwy. Some of you folks are lamenting Mrs. Clinton's marginal wins as though the apocalypse is on its way. Geese - all it does is extend the primary out a bit longer, like until the Democrat Convention.

That's kind of the idea: let the Democrats punch and scrabble at one another (all the while claiming to be the only force that can "heal a divided country". It's wonderful theater, really.

As an added bonus, they're going to keep throwing tons of money around on ads as they try to show who is really an agent of change; an agent of hope. That can only benefit the economy.

obama should not be compared to jfk, for jfk was in congress longer than obama...

obama had no record to show what he stands for

obama is even less know than george bush...at least bush had been a governor of a big state that there were records

obama had no record to show how he would govern

in fact, obama's presidential run is like the first run of george bush...

it is all show with sound bites....no substance....

thus, i hope you all wake up and start looking at your new boyfriend, obama, seriously....

for you may go to bed with the handsome, only to wake up with the ugly....

Go to bed with Hillary instead? Please.

Well, heck e, it could be worse. We went to bed with the ugly seven years ago, and every day we wake up to find that he's still here. [shudder]

not too fond of that shift key are you e....

i know it's hard to reach all the way on the other side of the keyboard....

"No Substance" is to Obama what "flip flopper" was to Kerry and "crazy" was to Gore: Baloney that that the right wing noise machine makes people believe through sheer repetition.

And sadly, it will probably work again. "Muslim" and "non-patriotic" will help the right wing too.

Juan McCain is a democrat through and through.

So when RedState asked you to take comments like that elsewhere, is this really the elsewhere you went? Surely, there is somewhere else other than this particular elsewhere. You need to keep looking.

Most Americans are aware of the courageous service John provided as a naval aviator and POW . But few can fully appreciate how bad the egregious hospitality of the Hanoi Hilton was .His main concerns were for other POWs’ life threatening conditions and how he could help them.

To this day John’s truthfulness, dedication and what he believes in is demonstrated by his sincere actions and service as a Senator of the United States of America. We could do a whole lot worse than vote for John Mc Cain and with your help the next president of the United States.
God Bless America

McCain will forever battle those POW demons - may God bless him. He has shown great courage to have recovered and seemingly thrived politically. When the fear card is played, unfortunately his knee jerk reaction is to shoot first and ask questions later. While I empathize with his war hero plight, I do not share his reaction to fear. Embrace hope.

""No Substance" is to Obama what "flip flopper" was to Kerry and "crazy" was to Gore: Baloney that that the right wing noise machine makes people believe through sheer repetition."

Actually, I haven't heard any 'right wing noise machine' saying anything of the sort. Rather, I hear it from people listening to his speeches, hoping he'll reveal or even hint at what his positions might be.

"Actually, I haven't heard any 'right wing noise machine' saying anything of the sort."

Turn on Fox News or CNN for a few minutes and you'll see what I mean.

"I hear it from people listening to his speeches"

Which people? Rush Limbaugh, Greta Van Sustren, Sean Hannity maybe?

Have you ever listened to one of Obama's speeches?

Now that the Texas caucus results are (finally) projected, I'll revise my table above:

Clinton gains March 4
-----------------
+9 Ohio
+5 Rhode Island
+4 Texas (primary)
-9 Texas (caucus)
-3 Vermont
---
+6

Woo. Big victory there, huh?


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