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And lookee who's out front.

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Hillary and Barack sat this one out. Our Ron? Bless him, he voted against it.

Hillary and Barack sat this one out.

Guess privacy isn't important enough to interrupt one's personal ambitions for.

Errr... according to the Washington Post:

"Seventeen Democrats and one independent joined 49 Republicans in voting against the Dodd-Feingold amendment. Among those voting with the majority was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the leading candidate for the GOP presidential nomination. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who is battling for the Democratic nomination, voted in favor of the amendment. His chief rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), did not vote."

From what I have heard this passes the power to eavesdrop on you from the judiciary to the executive branch .

It's a very sad day for the USA.

So if "Pres McCain" wants to snoop on you as a "terrorist" whatever that means...oh he decides, he can just sign the order and the spooks are listening in without constraint. And you know they will.

Government power is very difficult to reverse.

Of course the telecons wanted immunity because they were breaking the law. Probably listening in to Democratic party/nominees/lawyers communications for Rove/Libby/Ashcroft/Gonzalez etc or at least your communications without FISA warrants.

But the corporates/government agencies breaking the law. Paah.. who cares ...mines a dry martini

These kind of results in Congress make me wonder if there is truly a Democratic Party, or if there is just a left and right wing of the Republican Party. Behavior like this by the Dems keeps me an independent! Shame on them. Good for Ron for taking the moral high ground.

Haha, get a grip! Methinks you've "mined" a few too many bar-gin martinis.

Leads to more PGP and TOR emails that are just normal stuff. I would not want anyone to know of my habit of reading Jacks blog or other places.

Allan L. wites:
"Hillary and Barack sat this one out."


Alan D. counters (from the Post):
"Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who is battling for the Democratic nomination, voted in favor of the amendment. His chief rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), did not vote."
---------

From what I read (roll call vote records), Allan is correct and Alan (and the Post) not so much.

But I do find it interesting that Hillary needed to get to Texas fast, while Obama had time to make nice with Sen. McCain on the Senate floor, backslappers all.

Both Senators will have many "Not Voting" nonvotes, which is the comfort zone for Obama, even when he was in the Illinois Senate (he voted 'Present' many times, instead of Yea or Ney).

Harry, I think the difference between Allan and Alan (other than the not so obvious one) may have to do with the vote on the amendment vs the vote on the bill. What I was commenting on was the roll call as reported in the Times on the passage of the bill, not the ill-fated Dodd-Feingold amendment.

Err, yeah. The roll call for cloture shows Sen. Obama voting to continue debate - that is, to possibly amend the bill - and Sen. Clinton not voting.

The roll call for the final bill shows neither of them voting.

Sorry for the confusion.

Aha... no wonder I am not correct... my name isn't Alan or however you spell it.

Thank you Alan DeWitt for the link. I wanted to know which Dimmos were Anti-Constitutionalists..now I know.

Well, KISS, then the folks your ire should be directed at are

Alexander (R-TN), Allard (R-CO), Barrasso (R-WY), Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Bennett (R-UT), Bond (R-MO), Brownback (R-KS), Bunning (R-KY), Burr (R-NC), Carper (D-DE), Casey (D-PA), Chambliss (R-GA), Coburn (R-OK), Cochran (R-MS), Coleman (R-MN), Collins (R-ME), Conrad (D-ND), Corker (R-TN), Cornyn (R-TX), Craig (R-ID), Crapo (R-ID), DeMint (R-SC), Dole (R-NC), Domenici (R-NM), Ensign (R-NV), Enzi (R-WY), Grassley (R-IA), Gregg (R-NH), Hagel (R-NE), Hatch (R-UT), Hutchison (R-TX), Inhofe (R-OK), Inouye (D-HI), Isakson (R-GA), Johnson (D-SD), Kohl (D-WI), Kyl (R-AZ), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (ID-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Lugar (R-IN), Martinez (R-FL), McCain (R-AZ), McCaskill (D-MO), McConnell (R-KY), Mikulski (D-MD), Murkowski (R-AK), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Pryor (D-AR), Roberts (R-KS), Rockefeller (D-WV), Salazar (D-CO), Sessions (R-AL), Shelby (R-AL), Smith (R-OR), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA), Stevens (R-AK), Sununu (R-NH), Thune (R-SD), Vitter (R-LA), Voinovich (R-OH), Warner (R-VA), Webb (D-VA), Whitehouse (D-RI), and Wicker (R-MS),
all of whom voted to pass a law which appears to have an ex post facto component, something the Constitution specifically forbids Congress to do.

Or were you meaning something else? :-p

Harry,

bringing up the present vote nonsense is a sign of a Hillary shill.

As has been well documented those present votes were what Planned Parenthood asked him to do as part of a larger strategy.

That fact that the Pro Hillary trolls can't come up with anything better than that nonsense over and over is a pretty good sign for why her campaign is going down in flames.

The story ahead of the story is that some foresee a reprise of the Nine-Eleven Op staged ruse, (which scared the holy bejeezus out of gullible masses, media hypnotized, which shredded the Constitution and brought in the Republican-favored fascism), as a coming Sequel of it, (maybe a May Day Op, 5/1/08?) -- a second staged ruse of phony 'terrorism' -- commences a lockdown of the country, cancels the elections, and our uss is gruss.

The key reason to see Nine-Eleven Op was faked, (no named hijacker had a boarding pass in the airlines reservation system database, none was on any passenger manifest, ergo: none was on board -- that's what '9/11 faked' means, but hey, the internet has vast amounts of information when you choose to examine the evidence showing the Official Legend of Nine-Eleven Op is totally bogus, and as long as instead you choose to chisel the Legend story in stone behind your eyes, obdurate, it don't matter if the internet has video tape massmurder confessions of Bushbutcher under oath you wouldn't believe it and you wouldn't look -- it's not a lack of evidence 9/11 was faked, it's a lack of choosing to look at it), is so you can think about a SECOND fake atrocity happening; what is key IN NOT SEEING THE FIRST faked 'terrorists' frame job, is then being completely clueless you can be faked out. again.

The story ahead of the story is that some reports from seers say Nine-Eleven Op comes ba-a-ack, the Sequel, in 2008.

The story behind the story of the Spy Bill (by coercion, extortion, blackmail, and threat), passing the Senate, is something like the following 'terrorizing' of the Senators which we 'little people' never hear about.
Injecting 'Terror' into Campaign 2008, By Robert Parry, February 6, 2008
At a Feb. 5 hearing of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bush’s Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell said al-Qaeda was refining “the last key aspect of its ability to attack the U.S.” by training Western recruits, who could blend in with American society and carry out attacks on U.S. targets.

In a later interview with the New York Times, an unnamed “senior intelligence official” added that these Westerners – “most likely including American citizens” – were undergoing training at al-Qaeda camps in Pakistan, though the official added there was no evidence that the operatives had yet reached the United States.
...
So, assuming that Americans still take Bush's terror warnings seriously, McCain could get an advantage. However, the administration’s stoking up fears about another 9/11 represents a more difficult challenge to Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

The thing is, like 3-card monte, no matter which you pick to work for, thinking it'll save you -- McCain, Clinton, Obama -- you're already a goner. The only thing you can work at to (maybe) stop fascism's 2008 annihilation of your life, (like, you've had your last Christmas, tomorrow's your last Valentine's Day ... y'know, annihilation of your life in 2008 unless we stop it), is to get your mind around the fact that 9/11 is a lie, bin Laden is a lie, WMDs is a lie, terrorism under your bed is a lie, every. single. thing. on TV is a lie; and spread the understanding all among your friends and families, then maybe, just maybe, if there's a God in heaven, you'all can recognize it happening when the next fake 'terrorist' mass-mass-murders hit, (how about 30 million deaths instead of 3 thousand -- you need some thinking-time, ahead of time, to get you mind around understanding and believing Bushbutcher would do that ... hey, in for a nickel, in for a buck, he don't care about no stinking death toll, he's the Decider, the Commander in Head-Cheese, he's safe and warm, 3000 dead didn't hurt the fascist cause a bit, the first time, what's thirty million dead, plus or minus ... maybe think 'New Orleans' ....)

Just sayin' Early Warning. Had you seen (before I put it here) the backstory report of the testimony in the Senate, which is how Senators get to thinking the way they do, which sheds some light for reflection on the votes in Spy Bill passes Senate?

Here's another news item As NOT Seen on TV.

InformationClearingHouse.INFO/article19349.htm
Real ID Act a Real Intrusion On Rights, Privacy, By BOB BARR, 'The Atlanta Journal-Constitution' 06-Feb-08

With the announcement last month by Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff of the final implementing regulations for the much-delayed Real ID Act, the debate over this thinly veiled national identification card project moved into high gear.
...
If, as proposed in the law, a person must have a Real ID Act-compliant card in order to access a federal building, access any regulated or interstate mode of transportation, or obtain any federal benefit, then we have surrendered to the federal government (that is, federal bureaucrats) the power to deny citizens all manner of activities guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Consider:

* could not enter any federal building
* right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment could henceforth be denied
* Real ID card will be required in order to vote in any election for federal office
* A veteran may be denied access to a VA hospital
* denied ... air travel

... arguing in favor of this intrusive and expensive federal mandate, are hollow promises of “security” — not freedom or liberty — but “safety,” the promise of which trumps all else in this post-9/11 world ...

I told you so -- your life and America depends on kicking the props out from under Nine-Eleven Op.

Same deal went on in this Spy Bill. Nevermind which Senator voted which way on it -- LOOK AT the fact it that Bill IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL appearing anywhere in the CONGRESS of AMERICA.


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