At least it will be a liberal republican white house.

Maybe but based on the way it's starting to trend, there's also a good chance it'll be President-Elect Obama.

Don't count out Bill, er, Hillary's chances once she gets the machine working.

So will we end up with VP Huckabee? Considering his age and the fact that he's had a few cancer scares already, I'm not so sure that McCain will survive a full four year term.

What are the chances of TWO presidents from Hope, AR?

Here are some good excerpts from politico.com's post this morning about why Hillary should be worried about Obama:

"(re: Super Tuesday:) She essentially tied Obama in the popular vote. Each won just over 7.3 million votes, a level of parity that was unthinkable as recently as a few weeks ago. At the time, national polls showed Clinton with a commanding lead — in some cases, by 10 points or more. That dominance is now gone. One reason is that polls and primary results reveal that the more voters get to know Obama, the more they seem to like him.

This is especially troubling for Clinton since the schedule slows dramatically now and a full month will pass before the next big-state showdown.

All of this allows candidates ample time to introduce themselves to voters in each state — which plays to Obama’s core strengths."

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"She lost the January cash war. Money chases momentum, so Obama crushing’s 2-to-1 fundraising victory last month is revealing. He raised more than $31 million; Clinton raised less than $14 million. The implication is hard to ignore: Democratic activists and donors are flocking to Obama at a pace that could have a profound effect on the race going forward."

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"The calendar is her enemy. Now that more than half the states have weighed in, there is a fairly predictable formula for determining who is most likely to win the upcoming contests. In caucus states, Obama’s organizational strength shines: He has won seven of eight. Up next are three more caucus states, Washington, Nebraska and Maine. Obama also runs tremendously well in states with large African-American populations, another promising sign since next Tuesday’s three primaries are in the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia — all of which have significant percentages of black voters. Then comes another caucus state, Hawaii, where Obama is viewed as a native son.

The bottom line is that it figures to be another month before Clinton hits a stretch of states — places like Ohio and Pennsylvania — where she will be strongly favored to win."

Sadly, I think you're right.

So IMHO, we are going to get the best Republican (McCain) and worst Democrat (Clinton). I will still probably vote Dem.

I think Obama is infinitely more appealing than Clinton. I hope he can prevail.

If HC gets the nod, I'll vote third party. (Calling Michael Bloomberg)

Call me crazy, but I'd just as soon see a Republican in the WH to follow W. It's going to be a mess. Taxes will have to be raised and other potentially divisive actions taken. A Republican will have an easier time doing the right thing. Besides, I think the R's have and are willing to use all the tools they need to keep a D from accomplishing anything useful.

Ok Allan L.: You're crazy! :-)

I think that assuming "President-Elect McCain" is a bit premature and fairly pessimistic. We still don't know who Edwards will throw his weight behind. And in any event, whomever gets the nod from the Dems will enjoy more party support than McCain seems to be able to get from the Republican party. While McCain used to enjoy support from independents and center-leaning Democrats, I think he has turned off those groups when he sucked up to Falwell and would lose them altogether if he went for a McCain-Huckabee ticket.

A lot of hard line Republicans are saying they will not vote for McCaine but rather sit it out. They say let Hillary (the democrat) screw the country up. They are getting their marching orders right from the top.... Rush Limbaugh.

Remember president bush stating that if he had his way, Jeb Bush would be the next president.

Well someone said that Jeb would be McCain's running mate.

I hope this isn't the picture someone is painting.

www.draftbloomberg.com

I wouldn't count on McCain being a lock. Nothing supresses the repub vote like nominating someone most of them can't stand. Or at least a goodly portion of them.

So Hillary looses the nomination to Obama and then she becomes Majority leader in the Senate....
And does anyone think she won't take her revenge on Barak upon loosing the presidnetial nomination?
That is scary to me as well.
If McCain triumphs over the dems, the Senate remains democratically controled and Hillary is the Majority Leader, who knows what won't happen for 4 more years.

Time to make another dozen phone calls for Barrack. Thanks for the motivation Jack. McCain's war mongering is intolerable and it will assure this Country's economic demise.

McCain is the new Bob Dole. Smart, likable, and about to get his butt kicked. . . by either Dem. The conservative elite hates him, and his "Stay in Iraq for 100 years" is going to haunt him, even if things go reasonably well there for the rest of the year. Plus, he's 71 years old, 72 before the GOP convention. By any standard, that's old to be doing a 24/7, high stress job.

Guess I'm the only R on this page... I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain but I sure hope Huckabee isn't his running mate.

Incidentally, assuming Hill does get the nomination, any chance she will want Barack as her running mate? And assuming she wants him, would Barack accept? Or is Richardson more likely?

about to get his butt kicked. . . by either Dem

Against Hillary, he will get every Republican who cares at all, the white male vote, and many people in the middle of the political spectrum who are tired of American "dynasties." The conservative hatred you cite will quickly dissipate once McCain is the clear nominee, which is any day now.

Hillary isn't going to get out the vote -- rather than bring a clothespin for their nose and vote for her, a lot of Democrats are going to sleep through it.

assuming she wants him, would Barack accept?

He'd be a fool to do so. Hillary's real vice president will be Bill Clinton. The guy with the title will just be there for show.

So Hillary looses the nomination to Obama and then she becomes Majority leader in the Senate....

If Hillary loses the nomination, she will be out of politics in two years. She could give a rat's heiny about representing... er... um... what state is that she's supposed to be representing again?

I think you are correct Jack about McCain being the next President-elect. And I suspect that if he wins the Republican nomination, most of the hard liner Republicans will hold their noses and vote for him.

she will be out of politics in two years

Bingo.

Obama's going to get leaned on HEAVY to be her running mate. You could see it watching the coverage last night. Obama's way too smart for that. With the exceptions of Johnson and Truman who was the last Democratic vice president, or candidate for vice president, to be elected president? There's nothing to be gained.

With the exceptions of Johnson and Truman who was the last Democratic vice president, or candidate for vice president, to be elected president?

The only other one is Martin Van Buren. Of course, Gore, Mondale, and Humphrey all were nominated...but all lost.

Hillary's vice president will be Bill's beyotch.

where's the koolaid........?

McCain is going to go down in flames because of one of the few times that he actually did engage in straight talk--that videotaped comment that he sees no problem staying in Iraq for 100 years.

Many of you are old enough to remember what Lyndon Johnson did to Goldwater in '64 with that ad featuring the little girl. I'm sure today's Democratic advertising guys can create as good an ad about McCain that will scare the daylights out of the voters.

Barack would never agree to be Tracey Flick's Vice President - he knows she'd send him on a four-year global warming fact-finding mission to Antarctica.

Fortunately, Barack's going to win, so this is moot.

"If Hillary loses the nomination, she will be out of politics in two years."
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Not so sure. She is like Nixon; there is no other thing she can do, or wants to do. She is too young to give it up, even if she says: "You won't have Hillary to kick around anymore!"

Yes, sadly, we will have her (and Bill)around for quite a long while.

And when McCain kicks the bucket in office, and Jeb finishes out that term, Billary will be right there for their country, to serve their (little) people and continue the dynasties ad nauseum.

I think it will come down to Texas and Ohio.

Obama should clean up in all the Feb States. Then Texas, Penn, and Ohio are the big states left. Figure Hillary takes Penn but not by a large margin, but Texas and Ohio could go either way, Obama does well in rural areas, this seems counterintuitive since Obama is considered the "Wine track" (Think Hart, Tsongas, Bradley, basically every one I've supported in my voting life, so I guess that makes me the protypical out of touch liberal elitist:-)) candidate who appeals to upscale voters normally found in cities; my guess is that Hillary has the big city machines behind her so wins the traditionally democratic cities unless there is a large black population, Obama gets the wine track voters and the black voters (a new dynamic that gets him close to 45% nationally already) then the extra push comes from independants and Conservative anti Hillary Dems (hence the rural support) which goes to show that a lot of people vote personality not issues, you can say a lot about Obama, but more conservative than Hillary is not one of them. As a liberal Obama is the best possible candidate, a very liberal dem who for some reason appeals to COnservatives who view him as more Conservative than he is. Hillary is the worst possibility, basically a Centrist who is viewed as a cross between Mao and Karl Marx by a lot of people. Like I said it is all style rather than actual issues. Really through no fault of her own Hillary carries the weight of the 60s and 70s and is viewed by all the "normal heartland americans" as the personification of everything they disliked. It is like a Rorsch test, don't like anti-war Hippies, then Hillary is one, don't like Feminists, then Hillary is one, and so on.

So back to the point, that gives Obama a good shot at Ohio, the Cleveland and Cinncinati machines will be for Hillary, but there may be enough blacks to offset that and the rural counties will be big for Obama. The Latino vote in Texas is the wild card, maybe another month will give Obama enough time to chip away at Hillary's support there.

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What's the deal with Hillary busting out with all the bright yellow pantsuits ?
Is she looking for the fatlady, Rosie O'Donnell,Starr Jones vote ?
Instead of the misty eyed "woman hit the glass ceiling" ploy for Jezebel sympathy, why dosen't she just come out and say that she's looking for the man-hating, white wine sipping, L-Word watching, dancing down the aisle Ellen Degeneras watching vote. A female version of the Godfather of Soul's " The Big Payback". The fake podium girlfriend-girlfriend smile, the commercials that contain scenes of her hugging up to women of color, containing no men makes me think that she's a bigger Bulls**tter than ole Billyboy.
Hey, if she wins, she can put Chuck Shummer under the desk with a cigar,,,

Greg tried to answer Chris Snethen's question, but he forgot one of the Democrats who ran for vice president and was later elected president. His initials were FDR -- not a bad precedent.