Right out of the playbook, Jack. Precisely as predicted. A sham, wrapped in a farce, delivered in a "charette."

At least Potter tried to see what the average Portlander was thinking, still not a great attempt.

Sam won't care about anything more than what his mutual admiration society regurgitates. Say hello to streetcars running past sewer dumps and potholes.

I have to wonder about the how questionaire was distributed. My very old mother got one at her nursing home residence, as did several 'residents', most of whom were not aware enough to answer the questions in any language!
So much for demographic diversity!

Another pseudonym used to fleece the citizenry.
How will Sam, the scam use this to build his hotel?

The Trib story reports the numbers, but doesn't actually use the words "vast majority." Of course any majority will be called "vast" when there's lobbying involved.

****How will Sam, the scam use this to build his hotel?***

Sam is building a hotel? I thought that was Neil Goldschmidt building a tram.

Greg C

See I can use Portland perjoratives to make comments too.

Jack do you know the difference between a lobbyist and a pimp?
Is their a difference?
Now set the wayback machine to the early '80's and try to remember when all the local power lunchs were held in those downtown cocktail joints.
1- Clementines (Across from the Hilton)
2-Carriage House( Across from the Heathmen)
3-The neat little bar in the Standard Insurance Building.
One could see and taste the corruption.
Ah those were the good old days.
Ron

Supposedly 15,000 surveys returned representing 585,000 people. I know of many people filling out two or more, for parents, friends, etc. Then, what kind of people fill out these kinds of surveys? Mostly political junkies, neighborhood activists, like myself; but not the general cross section of the citizens. So the press and the politicians are going to take a very small segment of it's citizen's imput and make calls like, "the majority feels...".

Hoping not to be called a naysayer, I'd like to see a list from this Vision that points out the things the 15,000 surveys DID NOT like, or needing change-like PDC, Urban Renewal, potholes, congestion. more traffic capacity.

If we can spend $2 MILLION for visioning, why can't we have a few votes on the important issues?

Oh Greg C, Your misspelled Pejorative has not embittered me at all.
But Sam, the scam can and does.

15,000 surveys answered / 585,000 people = 2.564% of population. Visions are accepted. Vision Quest results = what 2.5% want, goes for everybody.

2004 election Mult Cty 98,439 people voted Bush / 430,693 Mult Cty registered voters = 22.8% of population. Bush wins. Results = what 22.8% want, goes for everybody.

2004 election Mult Cty 259,585 people voted Kerry / 430,693 Mult Cty registered voters = 71.5% of population. Kerry loses. Results = what 71.5% want, doesn't go for everybody.

Conclusion: What the majority wants doesn't matter, what minorities want takes the day.

Got logic: your comparisons are lacking logic. The Vision survey was for the citizens of Portland only, a small defined geographical area. Your taking voter results from only a area representing an electorate of 450T versus the entire nation of 225M, which is the larger pool to do statistical analysis makes no sense.