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Nothing with character can survive in Portland any more. Out with tradition, out with craftsmanship, in with the soulless condo towers. Here's a grand old apartment building downtown being destroyed:
Oh, well. This was a pretty cool place in its day. Soon it will be a rainy version of everywhere else.
What part of your comments policy did Matt's comment violate? It seems like a straightforward (albeit contrary to your own opinion) on-topic comment with no attacks towards you. It sounds like the kind of thing you might even say, although obviously not about this particular building.
It was argumentative tripe, not part of any sort of civil conversation. If you'd like to bump ahead of him on the new banned list, just argue with me about it.
That's not where they are dropping the Ladd. It's the same block from which they are moving the Ladd.
With all the alleged support for affordable housing, they've just demolished what should have been a historic structure, and one of the few like is left in downtown, which provided affordable housing, to build what was going to be condos but now will be "just" expensive apartments instead.
So, that's one giant step AWAY from affordable housing in downtown Portland.
And all done by a freaking CHURCH, for crying our loud. Very Christian of them.
Ah, urban renewal. Thank goodness each individual plan is unique. A rainy version of somewhere else? Why Jack, you can't tell the difference between Bridgeport Village and downtown Lake Oswego, Bellevue and Nanaimo BC? The difference is obvious--they're 200 miles apart. Okay, enough sarcasm. But when I saw my new neighborhood laid out identially in 3 sites, I got sick. I wonder who their local versions of Homer Williams and Erik Sten are?
At least in rural-blighted areas of East Oregon, the original charm can still be renovated.
b!X: the money raised from this will help the church pursue it's core mission of helping the poor people. Maybe they'll build some affordable housing for them or something.
Matt Davis and "no one in particular" I think you need to understand that this is more of a forum - a discussion of ideas, a disagree without being disagreeable format. I enjoy reading a well thought out, possibly documented rebuttal or alternate opinion to Jacks but "Good riddance to rat-ridden rubbish" to me sounds to much like a childish, go home poopy pants kind of retort. Did this particular dwelling have a rat problem? Did it not have any redeeming architecture that contributed to the neighbor hood? Have similar places been successfully rehabilitated? Do you have and in depth contributions to make to the topic?
As the pastor of the church stated "we're not in the business of saving buildings, we're in the business of saving souls" I guess you need a 4 story underground parking garage to save those souls, that is the only reason this quality historic building is being demolished. The building could easily fit on the quarter block that housed the nasty church annex. Sad day.
I'm sorry to see this place go. When I first started my company at 11th & Salmon Streets, I used to walk the neighborhood a lot anf got to know where most of the more affordable rentals were. I see many of them getting "redeveloped" and the entire CoP nonsense about keeping "affordable" housing here a real fraud. I predict that in another 5-7 years most lower cost rentals in or near downtown Portland will be gone forever.
when a building is razed in Portland is there any attempt to recycle all the building materials or does it all just go to a landfill? I would bet there would have been some pretty cool stuff to retrieve before demolition.
when a building is razed in Portland is there any attempt to recycle all the building materials...?
Often there is for interior materials - check out the recycling center on N Mississippi, if you want to see what sort of things are reclaimed. But you can't save much of the outer structure, and it's a shame that we don't place any value on the significance of the outer structure's architecture unless it's on the Historic Register. This building was a treasure, now lost forever except in pictures.
The good majority of the brick in the Rosefriend will be salvaged and resold. Also, the wood will be sorted and turned into chipboard. Aurora Mills Salvage, the ReBuilding Center, and others removed the hardwood floors, radiators, doors, etc. for resale. The entry arch (sans poorly-built columns,) entry transom window, lobby French doors, and (hopefully) some of the tin gable roof will be reincorporated into the new building.
Also, tomorrow morning when the Carriage House moves (approx 8:30AM) there’ll be people at the Friends of Ladd Carriage House booth (SW Park and Columbia) on hand to talk about the history of both buildings, as well as the reincorporation of the Rosefriend elements.
Yes, reincorporating them into a soulless, cookie-cutter condo tower that is another giant step toward making Portland just like everywhere else. This is what passes for our city's urban planning "genius" nowadays. Depressing.
Reincorporating some of the history might be one small way to make the building less soulless. Obviously displaying/reincorporating a few artifacts of the past aren’t going to change people's opinion on the building, but I'd like to think it's better than nothing. Also, most of what's being saved wasn't a product of the design process but of volunteer efforts over the last few months.
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Comments (22)
Good riddance to rat-ridden rubbish.
Posted by Matt Davis | June 14, 2007 3:28 PM
Following the 'bites the dust' headline, I expected to find THIS
Posted by Tenskwatawa | June 14, 2007 3:40 PM
You get one more, Matt, and then you're gone again, o.k.? Then you and your friends can go whine about it on your site.
Posted by Jack Bog | June 14, 2007 3:45 PM
Isn't that where they're dropping the Ladd Carriage House?
Posted by OscarM | June 14, 2007 3:57 PM
What part of your comments policy did Matt's comment violate? It seems like a straightforward (albeit contrary to your own opinion) on-topic comment with no attacks towards you. It sounds like the kind of thing you might even say, although obviously not about this particular building.
Posted by no one in particular | June 14, 2007 4:06 PM
It was argumentative tripe, not part of any sort of civil conversation. If you'd like to bump ahead of him on the new banned list, just argue with me about it.
Posted by Jack Bog | June 14, 2007 4:11 PM
That's not where they are dropping the Ladd. It's the same block from which they are moving the Ladd.
With all the alleged support for affordable housing, they've just demolished what should have been a historic structure, and one of the few like is left in downtown, which provided affordable housing, to build what was going to be condos but now will be "just" expensive apartments instead.
So, that's one giant step AWAY from affordable housing in downtown Portland.
And all done by a freaking CHURCH, for crying our loud. Very Christian of them.
Posted by b!X | June 14, 2007 4:27 PM
Ah, urban renewal. Thank goodness each individual plan is unique. A rainy version of somewhere else? Why Jack, you can't tell the difference between Bridgeport Village and downtown Lake Oswego, Bellevue and Nanaimo BC? The difference is obvious--they're 200 miles apart. Okay, enough sarcasm. But when I saw my new neighborhood laid out identially in 3 sites, I got sick. I wonder who their local versions of Homer Williams and Erik Sten are?
At least in rural-blighted areas of East Oregon, the original charm can still be renovated.
MJH
Posted by Mark | June 14, 2007 4:34 PM
b!X: the money raised from this will help the church pursue it's core mission of helping the poor people. Maybe they'll build some affordable housing for them or something.
Posted by no one in particular | June 14, 2007 4:47 PM
Matt Davis and "no one in particular" I think you need to understand that this is more of a forum - a discussion of ideas, a disagree without being disagreeable format. I enjoy reading a well thought out, possibly documented rebuttal or alternate opinion to Jacks but "Good riddance to rat-ridden rubbish" to me sounds to much like a childish, go home poopy pants kind of retort. Did this particular dwelling have a rat problem? Did it not have any redeeming architecture that contributed to the neighbor hood? Have similar places been successfully rehabilitated? Do you have and in depth contributions to make to the topic?
Posted by dman | June 14, 2007 4:53 PM
Thanks for the defense, but that's enough about Matt Davis for one day. For one week, even.
Posted by Jack Bog | June 14, 2007 4:55 PM
As the pastor of the church stated "we're not in the business of saving buildings, we're in the business of saving souls" I guess you need a 4 story underground parking garage to save those souls, that is the only reason this quality historic building is being demolished. The building could easily fit on the quarter block that housed the nasty church annex. Sad day.
Posted by thedude | June 14, 2007 5:57 PM
I'm sorry to see this place go. When I first started my company at 11th & Salmon Streets, I used to walk the neighborhood a lot anf got to know where most of the more affordable rentals were. I see many of them getting "redeveloped" and the entire CoP nonsense about keeping "affordable" housing here a real fraud. I predict that in another 5-7 years most lower cost rentals in or near downtown Portland will be gone forever.
Posted by Dave A. | June 14, 2007 6:02 PM
I predict that in another 5-7 years most lower cost rentals in or near downtown Portland will be gone forever.
That sure is optimistic. No, I'm not being sarcastic, either.
Posted by Cabbie | June 14, 2007 7:24 PM
when a building is razed in Portland is there any attempt to recycle all the building materials or does it all just go to a landfill? I would bet there would have been some pretty cool stuff to retrieve before demolition.
Posted by kathe w. | June 15, 2007 9:18 AM
when a building is razed in Portland is there any attempt to recycle all the building materials...?
Often there is for interior materials - check out the recycling center on N Mississippi, if you want to see what sort of things are reclaimed. But you can't save much of the outer structure, and it's a shame that we don't place any value on the significance of the outer structure's architecture unless it's on the Historic Register. This building was a treasure, now lost forever except in pictures.
Posted by John Rettig | June 15, 2007 12:17 PM
The good majority of the brick in the Rosefriend will be salvaged and resold. Also, the wood will be sorted and turned into chipboard. Aurora Mills Salvage, the ReBuilding Center, and others removed the hardwood floors, radiators, doors, etc. for resale. The entry arch (sans poorly-built columns,) entry transom window, lobby French doors, and (hopefully) some of the tin gable roof will be reincorporated into the new building.
Posted by Brandon Spencer | June 15, 2007 3:58 PM
Also, tomorrow morning when the Carriage House moves (approx 8:30AM) there’ll be people at the Friends of Ladd Carriage House booth (SW Park and Columbia) on hand to talk about the history of both buildings, as well as the reincorporation of the Rosefriend elements.
Posted by Brandon Spencer | June 15, 2007 4:02 PM
Yes, reincorporating them into a soulless, cookie-cutter condo tower that is another giant step toward making Portland just like everywhere else. This is what passes for our city's urban planning "genius" nowadays. Depressing.
Posted by Jack Bog | June 15, 2007 4:05 PM
Reincorporating some of the history might be one small way to make the building less soulless. Obviously displaying/reincorporating a few artifacts of the past aren’t going to change people's opinion on the building, but I'd like to think it's better than nothing. Also, most of what's being saved wasn't a product of the design process but of volunteer efforts over the last few months.
Posted by Brandon Spencer | June 15, 2007 7:22 PM
I think Howard Roark had the proper solution to souless housing complexes.
Posted by John Capradoe | June 16, 2007 6:33 AM
Some photos of the teardown at http://www.flickr.com/photos/41894180030@N01/sets/72157600375745003/
Posted by Jack | June 16, 2007 2:00 PM