Detail, east Portland photo, courtesy Miles Hochstein / Portland Ground.



For old times' sake
The bojack bumper sticker -- only $1.50!

To order, click here.







Excellent tunes -- free! And on your browser right now. Just click on Radio Bojack!






E-mail us here.

About

This page contains a single entry from the blog posted on May 28, 2007 11:29 AM. The previous post in this blog was Preserve your memories. The next post in this blog is Dimming of the day. Many more can be found on the main index page or by looking through the archives.

Archives

Links

Law and Taxation
How Appealing
TaxProf Blog
Mauled Again
Tax Appellate Blog
A Taxing Matter
TaxVox
Tax.com
Josh Marquis
Native America, Discovered and Conquered
The Yin Blog
Ernie the Attorney
Conglomerate
Above the Law
The Volokh Conspiracy
Going Concern
Bag and Baggage
Wealth Strategies Journal
Jim Hamilton's World of Securities Regulation
myCorporateResource.com
World of Work
The Faculty Lounge
Lowering the Bar
OrCon Law

Hap'nin' Guys
Tony Pierce
Parkway Rest Stop
Utterly Boring.com
Along the Gradyent
Dwight Jaynes
Bob Borden
Dingleberry Gazette
The Red Electric
Iced Borscht
Jeremy Blachman
Dean's Rhetorical Flourish
Straight White Guy
HinesSight
Onfocus
Jalpuna
Beerdrinker.org
As Time Goes By
Dave Wagner
Jeff Selis
Alas, a Blog
Scott Hendison
Sansego
The View Through the Windshield
Appliance Blog
The Bleat

Hap'nin' Gals
My Whim is Law
Lelo in Nopo
Attorney at Large
Linda Kruschke
The Non-Consumer Advocate
10 Steps to Finding Your Happy Place
A Pig of Success
Attorney at Large
Margaret and Helen
Kimberlee Jaynes
Cornelia Seigneur
Mireio
And Sew It Goes
Mile 73
Rainy Day Thoughts
That Black Girl
Posie Gets Cozy
{AE}
Cat Eyes
Rhi in Pink
Althouse
GirlHacker
Ragwaters, Bitters, and Blue Ruin
Frytopia
Rose City Journal
Type Like the Wind

Portland and Oregon
Isaac Laquedem
StumptownBlogger
Rantings of a [Censored] Bus Driver
Jeff Mapes
Vintage Portland
The Portlander
South Waterfront
Amanda Fritz
O City Hall Reporters
Guilty Carnivore
Old Town by Larry Norton
The Alaunt
Bend Blogs
Lost Oregon
Cafe Unknown
Tin Zeroes
David's Oregon Picayune
Mark Nelsen's Weather Blog
Travel Oregon Blog
Portland Daily Photo
Portland Building Ads
Portland Food and Drink.com
Dave Knows Portland
Idaho's Portugal
Alameda Old House History
MLK in Motion
LoveSalem

Retired from Blogging
Various Observations...
The Daily E-Mail
Saving James
Portland Freelancer
Furious Nads (b!X)
Izzle Pfaff
The Grich
Kevin Allman
AboutItAll - Oregon
Lost in the Details
Worldwide Pablo
Tales from the Stump
Whitman Boys
Misterblue
Two Pennies
This Stony Planet
1221 SW 4th
Twisty
I am a Fish
Here Today
What If...?
Superinky Fixations
Pinktalk
Mellow-Drama
The Rural Bus Route
Another Blogger
Mikeyman's Computer Treehouse
Rosenblog
Portland Housing Blog

Wonderfully Wacky
Dave Barry
Borowitz Report
Blort
Stuff White People Like
Worst of the Web

Valuable Time-Wasters
My Gallery of Jacks
Litterbox, On the Prowl
Litterbox, Bag of Bones
Litterbox, Scratch
Maukie
Ride That Donkey
Singin' Horses
Rally Monkey
Simon Swears
Strong Bad's E-mail

Oregon News
KGW-TV
The Oregonian
Portland Tribune
KOIN
Willamette Week
KATU
The Sentinel
Southeast Examiner
Northwest Examiner
Sellwood Bee
Mid-County Memo
Vancouver Voice
Eugene Register-Guard
OPB
Topix.net - Portland
Salem Statesman-Journal
Oregon Capitol News
Portland Business Journal
Daily Journal of Commerce
Oregon Business
KPTV
Portland Info Net
McMinnville News Register
Lake Oswego Review
The Daily Astorian
Bend Bulletin
Corvallis Gazette-Times
Roseburg News-Review
Medford Mail-Tribune
Ashland Daily Tidings
Newport News-Times
Albany Democrat-Herald
The Eugene Weekly
Portland IndyMedia
The Columbian

Music-Related
The Beatles
Bruce Springsteen
Seal
Sting
Joni Mitchell
Ella Fitzgerald
Steve Earle
Joe Ely
Stevie Wonder
Lou Rawls

E-mail, Feeds, 'n' Stuff

Monday, May 28, 2007

Ah, those condo developers

They're such great people. Everybody loves 'em.

Comments (19)

Condos on the coast is really a good deal for the town, money wise. They pay for water sewer and seldom use these utilities. They pay High taxes and the county and city benefit. And the best part, these owners are never around.
I sit on a planning commission and I know how important the measuring tape is. This looks like a screw up of the city planner and the commission never caught it. One of the questions we ask is where do you measure, from the street or from the dirt?
Condo owners won't lose and maybe will gain.

All smart growth NIMBYisim always boils down to one thing:

The view.

One property owner expects another to leave his property in it's current state subsidize their view.

A city dweller wants rural lands to remain undeveloped to preserve [subsidize] the view while driving or cycling to the mountains or beach or Goldshmidt winery.

Sam Adams wants to leave the light rail on the street [instead of burring it] for the postcard image of a "progressive, sustainable" city.

A woman in Sandy wants billboards on 26 yet the only argument against them is from out-of-towner's not wanting to see them as they drive through the area.

People like you give this blog a bad name.

I take my family camping at Honneymen State Park every summer. I always looked forward to that view of the dunes. It let us know that we had arrived our favorite place in Oregon.

The thing about public views is that they benefit everyone. They let people who don't have a lot of money enjoy a bit of their world. The ability to appreciate a great vista is a great leveler. Unfortunately, for the property rights freaks, it's a threatening concept.

Where would you have the next million or so newcomers locate? A condo jungle downtown or a condo jungle at the beach?

At least the condo jungle at the beach doesn't require tax breaks, trams, streetcars, or light rail.

Public views benefit everyone and are best left for public property. Don't want a condo jungle there? Buy up the property and develop it how you like.. just hope you don't have the likes of Metro or PDC on your back or you might be building a condo jungle anyway.

Goldshmidt winery

There never was any Goldschmidt winery. There was a Goldschmidt vineyard, but it's been sold and the name is changing.

Anthony...a winery is where you make wine, a vineyard is where you grow the grapes. If all the vineyard land is turned into condos or subdivisions, we lose our agricultural base, which, in Oregon, is a billion dollar industry employing thousands. And a beautiful place to go for thousands more on this Memorial Day weekend.

Don't want a condo jungle there? Buy up the property and develop it how you like.

I guess you aren't going to get the point.

screw people that want to own property. They are freaks. All land should benefit the public. Hail Chavez

No, that's not quite right. There is certain "property" that no one should be able to own.

Maybe it's time to go to moderated comments...

The fact that a building permit was issued is a tough one to overcome, but I would offer that it should be, if the conditions placed on the development by the PC specified certain things that in hindsight can't be accomplished with the project as it was erroneously approved. On the other hand, the developer proceeded with what he thought to be a clear approval, and would incur some financial loss if this were re-opened.

The solutiuon is clear: the condo shouldn't exceed the height intended by the conditions approved by the PC. And the city should reimburse the developer any expenses incurred to put things back into a state that will allow the project to proceed legally, including time lost.

The primary reason that condo building is blocking the view of the dunes is the UGB, status quo Oregon planning and the insane overcrowding of every city in Oregon. You know, the wonderful planning M37 is supposed to be threatening.

And it's not about preseving rural Oregon or the view while driving to the beach. The abundant land between corridors and countless locations around and adajacent to Florence could easilty accomodate decades of new develpoment without sacrificing rural Oregon. Just as growth did no ruin the state for all of those decades before our contemporary planning fanatics and kooks.

But the League of Oregon Cities distributes the model and the schemes to pack more and more into our cities without regard for the detriments of this haphazard development planning.

Unfortunately Oregonians deserve to have their State ruined by San Franscisco and East Coast enviro/planner liberals.
Oregon voters have been electing these clowns for decades.
Look at the city councils, county commissioners, Metro and our State officials. For the most part they are all impressionable, naive, confused and friggin stupid beyond belief.
I'm sorry but I have watched plenty of them in action and it's astounding to see them fall all over themselves with one ridiculous decison after another. And it doesn't matter what they see happen they'll do it all over again.
It's a group stupid thing really. While the green and sustainable music puts them all in a trance.

The primary reason that condo building is blocking the view of the dunes is the UGB, status quo Oregon planning and the insane overcrowding of every city in Oregon.

Now we're just getting stupid.

Sorry that was a bit over the top but who decides? A government agency? Without the right to own our land we are nothing more than serf's or slaves. Property rights are very improtant to most of us.

Zzzz. The Florence bureaucrats should have been 100% sure that the jerk who owns this property wouldn't block the view from the bridge before they issued the permit.

And the jerk should have done the same.

But nowadays, nobody thinks, or cares, around here. Everybody's just busy proving what an a*shole they can be. Congratulations, property rights advocates. What a great moment this is.

Suppose the "view" would be obstructed by un-clear-painted trees that would surely grow to a height of 50 feet?

"Congratulations, property rights advocates" ???

How about Congratulations, planning advocates? It's the land use planning system which M37 opponents are forever touting that brought about this debackle.

Let's not get too twisted up here. This is no different that the same system approving tightly packed 325 ft high rises in SoWa, or a 7 story parking garage in Beaverton, or the ugly infill in neighborhoods where it doesn't fit, or
the sea of tightly packed roofs, sidewalks and asphalt that Metro has been mandating for 20 years.

There is no doubt that if Oregon had less of a restrictive planning system, but still reasonable protections, this project would not have been pushed to stack as much as possible.
With M37 more wholly implemented projects like this could have been developed in the periphery of Florence, in a less dense and obstructing way, better preserving the character and views of Florence.

So what is stupid here? The blind enamor with our planning system that spawns a building like this blocking views of the dunes. Further "stupid" is the false choice that Oregon must sustain this level of stupid and extreme land use planning or have none at all.

when the discussion is mainly about building height and size--it's already too late.

With M37 more wholly implemented projects like this could have been developed in the periphery of Florence, in a less dense and obstructing way, better preserving the character and views of Florence.

Huh? The condo developers don't want to build "in [sic] the periphery of Florence," they want to build right in the middle of Florence, where they can score the primo views. Saying that this controversy is the result of land use planning is like saying that the debacle in Iraq is the result of too many peace marches.


Sponsors


As a lawyer/blogger, I get
to be a member of:

In Vino Veritas

Lange, Pinot Gris 2015
Kiona, Lemberger 2014
Willamette Valley, Pinot Gris 2015
Aix, Rosé de Provence 2016
Marchigüe, Cabernet 2013
Inazío Irruzola, Getariako Txakolina Rosé 2015
Maso Canali, Pinot Grigio 2015
Campo Viejo, Rioja Reserva 2011
Kirkland, Côtes de Provence Rosé 2016
Cantele, Salice Salentino Reserva 2013
Whispering Angel, Côtes de Provence Rosé 2013
Avissi, Prosecco
Cleto Charli, Lambrusco di Sorbara Secco, Vecchia Modena
Pique Poul, Rosé 2016
Edmunds St. John, Bone-Jolly Rosé 2016
Stoller, Pinot Noir Rosé 2016
Chehalem, Inox Chardonnay 2015
The Four Graces, Pinot Gris 2015
Gascón, Colosal Red 2013
Cardwell Hill, Pinot Gris 2015
L'Ecole No. 41, Merlot 2013
Della Terra, Anonymus
Willamette Valley, Dijon Clone Chardonnay 2013
Wraith, Cabernet, Eidolon Estate 2012
Januik, Red 2015
Tomassi, Valpolicella, Rafaél, 2014
Sharecropper's Pinot Noir 2013
Helix, Pomatia Red Blend 2013
La Espera, Cabernet 2011
Campo Viejo, Rioja Reserva 2011
Villa Antinori, Toscana 2013
Locations, Spanish Red Wine
Locations, Argentinian Red Wine
La Antigua Clásico, Rioja 2011
Shatter, Grenache, Maury 2012
Argyle, Vintage Brut 2011
Abacela, Vintner's Blend #16 Abacela, Fiesta Tempranillo 2014
Benton Hill, Pinot Gris 2015
Primarius, Pinot Gris 2015
Januik, Merlot 2013
Napa Cellars, Cabernet 2013
J. Bookwalter, Protagonist 2012
LAN, Rioja Edicion Limitada 2011
Beaulieu, Cabernet, Rutherford 2009
Denada Cellars, Cabernet, Maipo Valley 2014
Marchigüe, Cabernet, Colchagua Valley 2013
Oberon, Cabernet 2014
Hedges, Red Mountain 2012
Balboa, Rose of Grenache 2015
Ontañón, Rioja Reserva 2015
Three Horse Ranch, Pinot Gris 2014
Archery Summit, Vireton Pinot Gris 2014
Nelms Road, Merlot 2013
Chateau Ste. Michelle, Pinot Gris 2014
Conn Creek, Cabernet, Napa 2012
Conn Creek, Cabernet, Napa 2013
Villa Maria, Sauvignon Blanc 2015
G3, Cabernet 2013
Chateau Smith, Cabernet, Washington State 2014
Abacela, Vintner's Blend #16
Willamette Valley, Rose of Pinot Noir, Whole Clusters 2015
Albero, Bobal Rose 2015
Ca' del Baio Barbaresco Valgrande 2012
Goodfellow, Reserve Pinot Gris, Clover 2014
Lugana, San Benedetto 2014
Wente, Cabernet, Charles Wetmore 2011
La Espera, Cabernet 2011
King Estate, Pinot Gris 2015
Adelsheim, Pinot Gris 2015
Trader Joe's, Pinot Gris, Willamette Valley 2015
La Vite Lucente, Toscana Red 2013
St. Francis, Cabernet, Sonoma 2013
Kendall-Jackson, Pinot Noir, California 2013
Beaulieu, Cabernet, Napa Valley 2013
Erath, Pinot Noir, Estate Selection 2012
Abbot's Table, Columbia Valley 2014
Intrinsic, Cabernet 2014
Oyster Bay, Pinot Noir 2010
Occhipinti, SP68 Bianco 2014
Layer Cake, Shiraz 2013
Desert Wind, Ruah 2011
WillaKenzie, Pinot Gris 2014
Abacela, Fiesta Tempranillo 2013
Des Amis, Rose 2014
Dunham, Trautina 2012
RoxyAnn, Claret 2012
Del Ri, Claret 2012
Stoppa, Emilia, Red 2004
Primarius, Pinot Noir 2013
Domaines Bunan, Bandol Rose 2015
Albero, Bobal Rose 2015
Deer Creek, Pinot Gris 2015
Beaulieu, Rutherford Cabernet 2013
Archery Summit, Vireton Pinot Gris 2014
King Estate, Pinot Gris, Backbone 2014
Oberon, Napa Cabernet 2013
Apaltagua, Envero Carmenere Gran Reserva 2013
Chateau des Arnauds, Cuvee des Capucins 2012
Nine Hats, Red 2013
Benziger, Cabernet, Sonoma 2012
Roxy Ann, Claret 2012
Januik, Merlot 2012
Conundrum, White 2013
St. Francis, Sonoma Cabernet 2012

The Occasional Book

Kent Haruf - Our Souls at Night
Peter Carey - True History of the Kelly Gang
Suzanne Collins - The Hunger Games
Amy Stewart - Girl Waits With Gun
Philip Roth - The Plot Against America
Norm Macdonald - Based on a True Story
Christopher Buckley - Boomsday
Ryan Holiday - The Obstacle is the Way
Ruth Sepetys - Between Shades of Gray
Richard Adams - Watership Down
Claire Vaye Watkins - Gold Fame Citrus
Markus Zusak - I am the Messenger
Anthony Doerr - All the Light We Cannot See
James Joyce - Dubliners
Cheryl Strayed - Torch
William Golding - Lord of the Flies
Saul Bellow - Mister Sammler's Planet
Phil Stanford - White House Call Girl
John Kaplan & Jon R. Waltz - The Trial of Jack Ruby
Kent Haruf - Eventide
David Halberstam - Summer of '49
Norman Mailer - The Naked and the Dead
Maria Dermoȗt - The Ten Thousand Things
William Faulkner - As I Lay Dying
Markus Zusak - The Book Thief
Christopher Buckley - Thank You for Smoking
William Shakespeare - Othello
Joseph Conrad - Heart of Darkness
Bill Bryson - A Short History of Nearly Everything
Cheryl Strayed - Tiny Beautiful Things
Sara Varon - Bake Sale
Stephen King - 11/22/63
Paul Goldstein - Errors and Omissions
Mark Twain - A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
Steve Martin - Born Standing Up: A Comic's Life
Beverly Cleary - A Girl from Yamhill, a Memoir
Kent Haruf - Plainsong
Hope Larson - A Wrinkle in Time, the Graphic Novel
Rudyard Kipling - Kim
Peter Ames Carlin - Bruce
Fran Cannon Slayton - When the Whistle Blows
Neil Young - Waging Heavy Peace
Mark Bego - Aretha Franklin, the Queen of Soul (2012 ed.)
Jenny Lawson - Let's Pretend This Never Happened
J.D. Salinger - Franny and Zooey
Charles Dickens - A Christmas Carol
Timothy Egan - The Big Burn
Deborah Eisenberg - Transactions in a Foreign Currency
Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five
Kathryn Lance - Pandora's Genes
Cheryl Strayed - Wild
Fyodor Dostoyevsky - The Brothers Karamazov
Jack London - The House of Pride, and Other Tales of Hawaii
Jack Walker - The Extraordinary Rendition of Vincent Dellamaria
Colum McCann - Let the Great World Spin
Niccolò Machiavelli - The Prince
Harper Lee - To Kill a Mockingbird
Emma McLaughlin & Nicola Kraus - The Nanny Diaries
Brian Selznick - The Invention of Hugo Cabret
Sharon Creech - Walk Two Moons
Keith Richards - Life
F. Sionil Jose - Dusk
Natalie Babbitt - Tuck Everlasting
Justin Halpern - S#*t My Dad Says
Mark Herrmann - The Curmudgeon's Guide to Practicing Law
Barry Glassner - The Gospel of Food
Phil Stanford - The Peyton-Allan Files
Jesse Katz - The Opposite Field
Evelyn Waugh - Brideshead Revisited
J.K. Rowling - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
David Sedaris - Holidays on Ice
Donald Miller - A Million Miles in a Thousand Years
Mitch Albom - Have a Little Faith
C.S. Lewis - The Magician's Nephew
F. Scott Fitzgerald - The Great Gatsby
William Shakespeare - A Midsummer Night's Dream
Ivan Doig - Bucking the Sun
Penda Diakité - I Lost My Tooth in Africa
Grace Lin - The Year of the Rat
Oscar Hijuelos - Mr. Ives' Christmas
Madeline L'Engle - A Wrinkle in Time
Steven Hart - The Last Three Miles
David Sedaris - Me Talk Pretty One Day
Karen Armstrong - The Spiral Staircase
Charles Larson - The Portland Murders
Adrian Wojnarowski - The Miracle of St. Anthony
William H. Colby - Long Goodbye
Steven D. Stark - Meet the Beatles
Phil Stanford - Portland Confidential
Rick Moody - Garden State
Jonathan Schwartz - All in Good Time
David Sedaris - Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim
Anthony Holden - Big Deal
Robert J. Spitzer - The Spirit of Leadership
James McManus - Positively Fifth Street
Jeff Noon - Vurt

Road Work

Miles run year to date: 92
At this date last year: 144
Total run in 2016: 155
In 2015: 271
In 2014: 401
In 2013: 257
In 2012: 129
In 2011: 113
In 2010: 125
In 2009: 67
In 2008: 28
In 2007: 113
In 2006: 100
In 2005: 149
In 2004: 204
In 2003: 269


Clicky Web Analytics