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Sunday, August 21, 2005

The drawing they don't want us to see

Remember the preliminary drawings of the South Waterfront development? For months, maybe years now, City of Portland planners have sworn that those are all they have to help concerned neighbors visualize how the project will look when it is completed. And they are just "conceptual" drawings, anyway -- they don't reflect the latest revisions in the ultra-dynamic planning process.

However, an alert reader of this blog has discovered a more recent drawing that may be cause for some concern. The source, who conditioned release of the document on anonymity (out of fear of reprisal), claims to have found a new artist's rendering of the development under the table of Randy Gragg's favorite booth at the Gotham Building Tavern. Apparently it was left behind after the goateed urban planning maven had finished his thimble-sized helpings of locally grown organic jicama and fennel for the evening.

Anyway, the drawing looks pretty authentic to me.

Comments (43)

I think the artist left out a few of the bioswales.

When gas is FIVE BUCKS a gallon in Portland, and your 2002 SUV is worth about $199, the folks in those shiny glass towers are going to look pretty freakin' smart as they ride the trolley to work.

Oil Peak, baby. It's in ALL the Sunday papers.

Sid,
When gas is $5 / gallon, we'll be driving hybrids and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. That's right after they suck every drop out of the shale deposits and the other fields that are currently closed down due to economic inefficiency.
I'm not pooh poohing the price spike, just the claim that it will result in the end of the automobile.

Wait while I wipe the coffee off my monitor...

What "work"?

And don't look now, but they're the ones bringing all the SUVs from California. There will be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of cars in South Waterfront. Good luck getting around anywhere near there except in the middle of the night. Million dollar condo dwellers don't ride mass transit, pal.

As for "peak oil," it's the new "creative class." More "progressive" hot air that can and will be used to justify almost anything.

Hang tough guys I'm working on my new song titled, Its time to raise rabbits in your SUV.

Nice photo.
South Waterfront is for our own good.
We'll all thank them someday for this now laughable and truly planless chaos.

I wonder who will decide who gets to live in all of the towers when the suburbs collapse?

Will people like me be locked out for my years of mocking their planning religion?

Or can I repent later and earn entry?

Wiil only special people be allowed to live in the few green buildings?

Where will all of the SUV mechanics work?

Peak Oil?

Long before any of todays's Oregonian fantasy sci-fi commentary happens, highly profitable alternaitves will arrive vis corporations and in the mean time responsible government will drill where needed to produce enough oil and gass.

Unless Hillary gets elected.

You want sci-fi? Wait 'til the earthquake. The very last place you'd want to be is in a high-rise on the very unstable ground of the west bank of the Willamette.

The guy who wrote Peak Oil is a Bushie named Simmons who was "born in oil", they say and knows the Saudi oil fields (and their deposits) better than any Westerner on Earth.

Saudi Arabia is running out... in three years... gas will skyrocket... to five bucks plus... according to... a report from the U.S. Department of Energy which says the change from coal to electric in early 1900's was e-z and a barrel of laughs compared to what's coming.

It's gonna happen so fast, it'll make your SUV spin(out).

Sorry.

$5 a gallon won't bring the world to a halt. We're already at nearly $3, and no one's died.

However, the resulting inflation, coupled with stagnation, on top of the financial drain of the Iraq adventure, are going to put this country through some real rough times.

BTW, South Waterfront has nothing to do with any of that. It's the pure greed of the developers + the extremely poor taste and weak judgment of the people who want to live there. A real American formula for success. The funniest part is watching lefty Portland rush to defend it because the planning gestapo tell them it's "progressive." Neil is laughing himself to sleep, albeit with one eye open.

Sid Leader, August 21, 2005 05:43 PM:
When gas is FIVE BUCKS a gallon in Portland, and your 2002 SUV is worth about $199, the folks in those shiny glass towers are going to look pretty freakin' smart as they ride the trolley to work.

Oil Peak, baby. It's in ALL the Sunday papers.

JK:
Are you happy to see gas prices rise? If so, why?
Do you think that higher gas and oil prices would cause more unemployment and higher prices for most things?
Do you expect to see TriMet being hurt by increasing diesel costs?

Sid Leader, August 21, 2005 11:46 PM:
a report from the U.S. Department of Energy which says the change from coal to electric in early 1900's was e-z and a barrel of laughs compared to what's coming.

JK:
Would you be kind enough to supply a link to this article.

Thanks
JK

Great the high gas prices will be used as an exuse to give more subsidies to the oil industry. What was it this year 30 billion?

Great the high gas prices will be used as an exuse to give more subsidies to the oil industry. What was it this year 30 billion?

JK:
And to give more subsidies to 22 story condos all over town.

Thanks
JK

NOOOOOOOO! Please tell me the cable car isn't going to be blue! I hate it when they paint those things blue... :)

There are certainly huge supplies of oil yet to be found since most of the planet has yet to be searched. Enough to bridge us to the time when alternative fuels and energy replace oil.

But the liberal mind champions the worst of policies which limits and restricts the discovery of new supplies in hopes of the demise they predict.
Rather unfunny how they force their social engineering upon us while advocating the very circumstances which they pretend to be avoiding.

They push an agenda of contrived land shortage and contrived oil shortage and present themselves as our saviors.

Cab, will you ever reveal yourself?

You must be Vera or Homer.

now I know that picture can't be authentic Jack, the tram isn't even a "bubble!"

Gee Sid, if we run out of oil, it's not just SUV owners who're going to be hurt. You really think those living in SoWa will somehow be immune to the economic disruption caused by depleted oil supplies?

How is a person living in SoWa and working in Hillsboro any better off then someone living in Hillsboro and working on SoWa?

There are certainly huge supplies of oil yet to be found since most of the planet has yet to be searched.

Well, that's not really true, as most of the planet does not have the type of geological history that will yield oil. I mean, it's like saying that there must certainly be more redwood forests on earth, as we have not searched anywhere in Africa for them.

P-town is going condo-crazy.

Did a little research over the weekend. . .The building at the SWF that will completed first, The "John Ross" tower was "sold-out" in a month, according to sales agents at the "Discovery Center."

A studio apt. (about 700 sq. ft.) in the next building to be pre-sold will go for $250,000. Sales for that building will likely start in early '06.

That's $357 a sq ft.

Compare that to a sub 700 sq. ft. 1 BR in the University Place building in the Park Blocks. That goes for $153K, parking is at least another $20K.

Or, my favorite, a 537 sq. ft. studio in the Lexis in the Pearl for $160K. That did not even have parking.

With prices like that, it's no wonder developers are licking their chops. Is the demand real, or is it being exaggerated? The SWF project is huge. . .I just hope that OHSU plans to create a lot of new jobs. Otherwise that area will not look as nearly as complete as the drawings posted here.

If they do build it all the way out, it would make an awesome setting for a Godzilla movie. . .

"I mean, it's like saying that there must certainly be more redwood forests on earth, as we have not searched anywhere in Africa for them."

Nice try. No it isn't.
I suppose that if we didn't have the ability to easily look at the entire surface of the planet you could be close. We already examined the entire surface where trees can grow.

But if that were the case the more apt analogy would be the Redwood lobby advocating that we not even look for more Redwoods.

In the case of oil we know for certain there are additional supplies but speculate as to the quantity with extremists arbitrarily concluding there is not enough so we must suffer.

Save the planet right?
Why have emissions limits if we are going to run out of oil. Global warming will end with end of oil in three years.

Dude, is that the sears tower in there? Or the tower of cranky whiners?

Heya Jim Karlock.

Here's that DOE report on Peak Oil and the first day of the rest of your non-gas guzzling life.

http://www.peakoil.net/USDOE.html

Sure glad I live in-town with an itty bitty commute in a 25MPG 1990 Geo Prizm.

Enjoy,
Leader

p.s. The people buying homes in these new glassss towers are using real US cash, folks. Not yuan.

Jack writes You want sci-fi? Wait 'til the earthquake. The very last place you'd want to be is in a high-rise on the very unstable ground of the west bank of the Willamette.

Alluvial fill deposited by the river turns to jello in an eathquake. But that's OK...the tram'll take injured folks up pill hill to the hospitals sitting on their own earthquake fault.

The mind reels...

If the Canadians think it's safe to build them in downtown Vancouver by the dozen, then I'm okay with them here. If the city's gotta take at look at my basement remodel, in person, I have a feeling they had a looksee at the tower design and construction.

p.s. Any MSM reporters awake out there? Are these buildings unsafe in an earthquake? What magnitude is danger point and what is likelihood of that something-point-something happening in Puddletown? What do local geologists think? Would they live there? More importantly, would Natalee Hollaway live there, if she's ever found alive?

Now THAT woke them up!

Now I know why PDOT did no traffic impact study for SoWa. There won't be any traffic cause we'll run out of oil. Right Sid?
That's good planning.
Impressive.
Sid, did you have any comment regarding the proposed Alexan tax abatement? It's part of the planning. How does that figure into anything that makes any sense.

Teaching and parenting keeps me kinda busy, so no, I am not up to speed on the Tax Abatement Of The Hour, no.

But, the more I hear about them, the less I like them.

Imagine what gas would cost if Exxon didn't get their billions in subsidies?

p.s. Cost of gas in Baghdad this morning: 2 cents a gallon. Same since Saddam.

"p.s. Cost of gas in Baghdad this morning: 2 cents a gallon. Same since Saddam."

Yeah?
Is that supposed to have some meaning?

How about this? Crawford is in Texas. Same since Bush one.

Any MSM reporters awake out there? Are these buildings unsafe in an earthquake? What magnitude is danger point and what is likelihood of that something-point-something happening in Puddletown? What do local geologists think?

One of my geology professors at PSU (geology was my minor)was hired by the Veteran's Administration to see whether they should build up on the hill. "No way" he came back...and they thanked him, paid him, and built.

I'm afraid earthquakes aren't common enough, nor predictable enough, that they really figure in planning in a serious way. Reasonably you can't design against every possible contingency...like trying to design against the impact of planes being flown into buildings. When the earthquake hits, all those unreinforced brick buildings will crumble, just as alluvial fill will turn liquid. That's just physics, not politics.

Dave J. at August 22, 2005 11:24 AM :
most of the planet does not have the type of geological history that will yield oil.

JK:
Logical corrections in bold: most of the planet does not have the type of geological history that , experience teaches, will yield oil. Much of the earthís depths have never been explored.

JK

Heya Sid Leader,

You premised a DOE report and gave me an advocacy site claiming that a report exists.

How about a credible link to a .GOV site - after all you claimed that there was a government report. Please cough it up.

Thanks
JK

Hi Jim Karlock.

Here is the link to the Hirsch Report on Peak Oil commissioned and presented to President Bush's Department of Energy earlier this year. It's kinda been under wraps. Not suprising. Cheney probably had one of his bi-weekly heart attacks after reading it.

The world will not end in three-five years, gas will just cost double or triple and people will adjust or... not.

I apologize for posting a summary link earlier and not the actual report.

Hi Jim Karlock.

Here is the link to the Hirsch Report on Peak Oil commissioned and presented to President Bush's Department of Energy earlier this year. It's kinda been under wraps. Not suprising. Cheney probably had one of his bi-weekly heart attacks after reading it.

http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/The_Hirsch_Report_Proj_Cens.pdf

The world will not end in three-five years, gas will just cost double or triple and people will adjust or... not.

I apologize for posting a summary link earlier and not the actual report.

From Sid Leader's article:
Past predictions typically fixed peaking in the succeeding 10-20 year period. Most such predictions were wrong, which does not negate that peaking will someday occur. Obviously, we cannot know if recent forecasts are wrong until predicted dates of peaking pass without incident.

Have you actually read that report?

Thanks for the info
JK

We... shall... see.

In meantime, I'm selling the suburbs short.

Since all the jobs are running off to the suburbs, it's actually places like the Pearl and SoWhat that you ought to be selling short.

Jack Bog:
Since all the jobs are running off to the suburbs, it's actually places like the Pearl and SoWhat that you ought to be selling short.

JK:
Donít employers pay more in taxes than they use in services and residents pay less in taxes than they use in services? If so, it is particularly stupid policy to encourage residential development like the Pearl and SoWhat.

Thanks
JK

Here's even more evidence of Sid's cluelessness. Seems the majority of commuting and bus lines are between suburbs and don't even go through downtown:

http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=31371

Just got off phone with Mary's crew at Tri-Met. The overwhelming majority of bus lines in the metro region are Portland-to-Portland.

Maybe you posted the wrong link.

It was about car commuting, Chris.

But thanks for playing!

(p.s. How many Soldiers-Per-Gallon does your Humvee get?)

Hmmm.. from the Trib article:

"Even though the lines wind up downtown, the great majority of their service is in the suburbs, said agency spokeswoman Mary Fetsch. She pointed out that the No. 72 bus, running from Swan Island to Clackamas Town Center, is TriMetís busiest line but never crosses into downtown."

Should we believe you or the Tribune?

Oh, the Trib.

They say Frank Gable is innocent!

Leader
(a 10 year Tri-Met rider on #4, #14, #9, #75, #77, etc,...)

Sidís link (http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/The_Hirsch_Report_Proj_Cens.pdf) explains both sides, not just the chicken littles:

A number of commercial or near-commercial substitute fuel production technologies are currently available
for deployment, so the production of vast amounts of substitute liquid fuels is feasible with existing technology.

We believe that future research will provide additional mitigation options, some possibly superior to those we considered.

Thanks
JK

What's poor Sid's record regarding this thread? Like 0-17?

Better than W's! See gas DOUBLING in price since W and girlz took power.

How is that silly little oil war going for you PUBS, anyway?

Got Osama? Zarqawi? Can you girlz even find your own bony white asses with a map, compass and pointer?

Doubtful.

It seems to me that the Tri Met system is pretty much geared toward getting people downtown and back both from other parts of Portland and the suburbs. If I worked downtown it would be a great option for me. Unfortunately, downtown has lost 30,000 jobs over the last six years as companies have moved headquarter operations elsewhere. The result is an ever increasing "reverse commute". Close in Portlanders going to work in Tigard, Tualatin, Beaverton, etc. The employment demographics simply haven't cooperated with the transportation planners.




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